solve the housing problem easily...some solutions?

screamer

No the standards are too high, mica is just flying a flag now. Lots of people want to live in towns and villages….. that’s the land I’m talking about and you’re hairbrained if you think people don’t want to live in such places. Tell me, where else would they live? Country side is no longer an option. Hair brained indeed.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654370#Comment_119654370

So no architects, get rid of housing standards, everyone lives in a box shape, and allow governance to steal private property on mass.

Soviet Ireland?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654282#Comment_119654282

We have just diluted these issues, they still exist and are now becoming even more difficult to police. There is no reason these areas should turn into ghettos but if they do is that not down to those getting the social supports? Having a functioning society only works if we all work together, I believe social supports are necessary but they should be basic and temporary for most. Those that do not contribute to society long term or engage in criminality should have social supports reduced or removed. The government needs to become leaner and needs to intervene directly in areas like housing in order to make it more affordable for all, the current system of scooping up the private market is not working and is only driving more to require social supports.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654384#Comment_119654384

Where would we put 50,000 houses, every year? Maybe its time to take a step back and think about what kind of an environment we want to live in?

"Build more and more" can't be the only answer.

screamer

attention to detail not your strong point. Try re- reading what I wrote before flying off your high horse.

foxsake

limit (or ban) corporate ownership of homes . One of the great tragedies of NAMA is instead of allowing irish citizens buy the distressed properties they were hawked on to corporate vultures.

enforce strict rules that only citizens will be housed via social housing.

as said above protect landlords against badly behaved tenants and enforce this.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654431#Comment_119654431

Objections to planning that have merit are upheld. People have a right to object

How many homes are in a position now where planning is granted but work has not started?

A sizeable amount I would imagine, so while some nimby might delay some projects they are not bringing the entire system to a halt

ELM327

Build social housing. Put it in decentralized locations. Have one for anyone who wants one. No means test. Have it like health insurance. Every citizen gets a free house at the age of 18 or 21. The house is in clare or athlone. Want a better house? Pay for it. Like VHI.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654453#Comment_119654453

The only solution to demand is supply.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654468#Comment_119654468

Not every objection is valid and should be acceded to.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654438#Comment_119654438

Try telling someone whose house is falling down on top of their family that they are just flag flying.

And learn how to quote.

screamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654468#Comment_119654468

I certainly think the criteria for valid objections needs to be laid out. There are people who object just because they don’t want a house built somewhere that doesn’t even affect them. That’s absolute rubbish and shouldn’t even be entertained.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654468#Comment_119654468

Objections to planning that have merit are upheld. People have a right to object

Not always unfortunately not when you have County Councils creaming themselves at how much costs they can charge it's inevitable.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654478#Comment_119654478

And they get rejected if they have no merit.

The issue with planning is that its slow, it should and could be faster, but its not holding up the entire construction sector, there are plenty of houses granted planning what have not started construction for lots of other reasons.

So maybe you speed up the planning process that doesnt solve the supply problem.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654489#Comment_119654489

Have you an example?

screamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654482#Comment_119654482

you could learn a few things yourself

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654509#Comment_119654509

Everyday is a school day

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654471#Comment_119654471

So all the people living in Dublin okay so who's going to wipe your parents arses in their nursing home? Who's going to drive the Tesco delivery van? Who's going to mind your kids in the creche? etc... etc....

Are they all going to drive from Clare to Dublin every morning to do it? You haven't thought this through have you.

Maybe the creche owners can start paying their employees 60k a year so they have a chance at a better house?

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654576#Comment_119654576

Well then they will need to get a better job or better pay to afford a house in dublin. I have moved 1.5 hours away from Dublin as I couldnt afford to buy there.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654478#Comment_119654478

That is true, but it very much is the thin edge of the wedge, but it does make the headlines.

Extremely bad or adverse planning decisions rarely do.

There was case in Dublin recently of a large housing development granted on provision a new school and other resources would be built in tandem or in the near future to cope with the population increase.

The council identified a site for the Department of Education to buy, the department bought it for 1.2 million and then council denied planning for the new school.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/council-refuses-planning-permission-for-school-after-advising-dept-of-education-to-pay-12m-for-site-41650710.html

Of course that sort of fúckery is unaccountable.

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654622#Comment_119654622

That's not the point. If someone replaces that person who gets a better job where do they live?

It's not as black and white as you would like. Having social housing in our major cities is a vital part of keeping those cities functioning.

You are lucky you can afford to buy a house and commute to Dublin so you must be on a good salary. I've a friend working who drives up from Gorey every day to Rathgar and it's costing him 130 euro a week in diesel alone luckily he's able to afford it but someone on 400 a week working in a nursing home not so much.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654622#Comment_119654622

Point missed spectacularly

mohawk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653356#Comment_119653356

What effect would this approach have on build quality, housing size, environmental impact etc. Can you still make sure if you do this that the housing is appropriate to the site and that the local area has all the amenities required for the people that will eventually live there. We don’t want a repeat of all those apartments in Dublin and the Fire regulation issues.

There is definitely places where we should be able to build higher etc so there is easy things we could do.

Land cost if definitely an underlying issue. That cost will get passed on to final purchaser.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654682#Comment_119654682

I work from home.

I'm a firm believer that no one should be given a free house (or a subsidised house) in Dublin. If the working folks (and even ones like myself on 6 figures) can't afford a decent house in Dublin, why should non working or menial working folks get a free or discounted house?

Equally , while house ownership is aspirational, everyone has a right to shelter. Therefore provide a free house to anyone who wants one, be they homeless or michael o leary, but just not in the cities.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058264525/solve-the-housing-problem-easily-some-solutions

thank fcuk some boards members have fcuk all to do with trying to resolve this one! holy fcuk!

mohawk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654896#Comment_119654896

Dublin is where most of the population is. There are many, many jobs that are and/or will always be low paid. Just because they are low paid doesn’t mean they aren’t necessary and important jobs. Those people can’t afford 2hour commutes. The people of Dublin need those workers, crèche workers are a great example. Take all those crèche workers out of Dublin and what would happen? If you wanted to argue that those who have never had a job or obtained a skill shouldn’t be housed in Dublin then I could see your point.

Not everyone has the ability or the skills to earn 6 figure salaries. Some peoples skill sets are suited to careers that aren’t well paid.

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654896#Comment_119654896

You are just going round in circles now. I've already explained why we need social housing in cities.

"Menial working" folks don't get a "free" house. Repeating it again and again doesn't make it true. They pay RENT according to their means.

Now if you want to get into people on long term unemployment then yes there is no need for them to be living in the middle of a city like Dublin if they aren't going to contribute towards our society but moving someone who let's say works in a nursing home in Rathgar and lives in social housing in Harold's Cross down to Roscommon is your solution to the housing problem then i completely disagree.

Ham_Sandwich

let Sinn Fein have a go they'll sort us out with houses if we look after them in the electon

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654799#Comment_119654799

There is no need to undermine engineering specs, just some of the other ridiculous stuff, like specifying your front wall is constructed from stone and sod and that you must plant a perimeter hedge containing these species of trees, that x percent of the front of your house be built of natural stone, that your windows must have glazing bars interrupting perfectly good latge windows, to make them look like a 200 year old cottage - etc, bloody etc.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654981#Comment_119654981

Or we could let FFG continue the road they are on, which has served us so well thus far.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119655053#Comment_119655053

hahaha, has yea!

victor8600

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654453#Comment_119654453

One approach to solving this issue is the decentralisation. Firstly, move more government departments out of Dublin. Secondly, promote creation of new jobs outside of Dublin.

And then build more and prevent investment funds from gobbling up new estates unless they have build them themselves. Give money to city councils to build high rise student accommodation in Dublin, Cork, Galway city centres so that any full time student is guaranteed a place at a reasonable cost. This will remove students from the competition for the sparse city accommodation + gives students more time to party study without the long daily commute.

There are lots of solutions that do not involve finding space in Dublin to put another 50,000 three-bed semi-Ds.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119655136#Comment_119655136

Bertie tried it years ago, there was a concerted campaign in the media and opposition against it for some absolute badshít reasoning.

Bertie Ahern argued that “moving a large core of departments out to regional locations is good for departments”. It would also be “better for the staff in terms of quality of life and will make for better balanced development in the country”

But of course.

The Irish Timescolumnist Fintan O'Toole saw the plan as "a classic Fianna Fáil operation, in that it appeals vaguely to a broad swathe of the population and sharply to an insider elite . . . the little inner circle of property developers that has a special place in the government's heart . . . Ask the old question, 'cui bono?' – 'who benefits?' – and the whole thing starts to make sense."

By choosing 53 centres for “decentralisation” ministers were ensuring that the State’s largesse would be spread widely. The beneficiaries would be local auctioneers, estate agents, builders, shopkeepers, publicans, car dealers, property developers and landowners with sites for sale – all of whom would gain from having a clutch of public servants moving in.

Good lord local business might benefit can't be having that as our towns and villages subsequently died. Said Dublin native Fintan O'Toole.

Tombo2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654359#Comment_119654359

Nobody.

Who was lending in the last recession?

Nobody.

There were heaps of empty houses.

This is a discussion about the housing market. Not emigration.

But I see you are proving EXACTLY my point, which is that the conversation will IMMEDIATELY move away from housing and towards the shocking waste of our best and brightest heading away.

mohawk

That sounds good Victor. Plenty of part time work in city centre’s for students too and they are good spenders for a local economy.

Every city centre can definitely go higher. If you target city centre accommodation to students, young professionals and those here temporarily (such as some tech employees) there is less pressure on schools and other things families need to expand as they will have limited space in a city centre to do so.

spurious

Presume by 'Ban AirBnB' people mean entire properties on AirBnB?

Stopping me having occasional guests in the back bedroom will not change the housing situation one bit.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119655382#Comment_119655382

Stopping me having occasional guests in the back bedroom

That sounds beyond dodgy.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119655853#Comment_119655853

I have an Airbnb. If there was a ban on me doing it I still wouldn’t rent it out long term again. I’m not selling either.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119655853#Comment_119655853

Sure lots of things evolve, even for the better. I had a Netflix account when they used to post out DVDs. Imagine that now?

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119656042#Comment_119656042

Noble was the c unt that did rent my house from me who would pick and choose when he’d pay his rent even though he knew my dad had had a serious stroke and I had to give up work to look after him. He was so noble that the money he got for rent allowance went on drink and he knew my head was all over the place and I wasn’t keeping on top of it all. Left the place in a state when he did eventually **** off.

He’s couch surfing from one alcoholic house to another these days and **** him, he deserves it. If good tenants want to know why they can’t get a place to rent, look and blame the c unt that wrecked my head and all the laws that allowed them too.

Not all landlords are rich.

DataDude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119655998#Comment_119655998

You might. But holding a property that’s not generating an income is truly horrendous waste of capital. Each to their own, but the vast majority would not do this…as it makes no sense in 99.9% of cases.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119656132#Comment_119656132

It’s currently generating an income from Airbnb so I’ll reevaluate if that ever changes 🙂

Tombo2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119655998#Comment_119655998

Why is Airbnb better?

Tombo2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119656220#Comment_119656220

Apols, just read your other post.

Fionne

Empty houses - bring them back into use. I know of one just off the N20 Cork-Limerick which was built as (I assume) an investment by a couple, they've never lived in it in the 15+ years since it was built and don't rent it out either. They cut the lawns and keep it tidy but otherwise it's just sat there, a large bungalow that could be a family home. No, I don't know how you can force them to rent it out either but I'm throwing the idea out there for other people to ponder.

Over-the-shop housing - once upon a time (yes, I'm that old) people lived above shops/cafes/businesses in towns. Why did that fall out of favour? It would bring life back into town centres too.

I know those are probably drops in the ocean but I still think are valid.

knipex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654064#Comment_119654064

Where do people get this nonsense.

We have a labour shorage in virtually every sector, and labour rates in Ireland are far from low.

knipex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653601#Comment_119653601

Yes it the asylum seekers fault 😴

The limiting factor for construction a the moment is access to labour and materials. If coucils start building themselves it will start drawign from the same labor and material pool. So insteada of competing against councils for finished houses you will be bidding against htem for the material and labour to build those houses.

Yes damn reits Building rental properties, don't they know we have soo much rental propertty in Ireland, that's why there are so many empty rental properties and rental prices are tanking..

And the developers, buiding houses., WTF do they think they are doing ??

knipex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653623#Comment_119653623

They pay a massive stamp duty when purchasing houses, not so with apartments.. The idea that you cannot raise a family in an apartment is no small part of the problem..

knipex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653922#Comment_119653922

There is absolutely nothing to stop Ireland putting a levy on mortgage rates. increasing property taxes, introducting stamp duty on homes, all the thousands of things that would have the exact same effect.. Blaming the ECB is just political cowardice.

How high do you think interest rates went in 2008 ? How low do you think they went pre 2008 ?

Interest rates started rising in June 2005 and peaked at July 2008 at 5.25% (marginal rate) which was the same as it was in August 2001. They bottomed at 3% (again Marginal rate) in 2003. By January 2009 Interest rates again hit the historically low rate of 3% and kept dropping, They have never returned to that level since and even today are 1.5% (again marginal rates)

If you want to look at the deposit rate It peaked at 3.25%, in July 2008 bottomed out at 1% in 2003 (and again in Jan 2009) and today sit at 0.75%

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/policy_and_exchange_rates/key_ecb_interest_rates/html/index.en.html

NiceFella

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119656305#Comment_119656305

Personally I think it is irrelevant what stamp duty they pay when ordinary people can't get a roof over there heads. If that was put to vote, I think I know what way it would go.

Yeah, you could I suppose, but not exactly ideal either. Most Irish people would rather a dwelling to raise a family.