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solve the housing problem easily...some solutions?

  • 23-09-2022 2:10am
    Registered Users Posts: 14,504 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22

    1. allow owners to evict non paying tenants very easily
    2. people on the housing list, take a free house where its going
    3. allow higher builds - even by 1 story

    i'm sure there are many more, buts that's just 3 off the bat that would address the problem.

    i feel sorry for students who have to defer a year in college cos they cant get accommodation.



  • Supply and demand.

    Failure to address the demand side is foolish. We will end up in the same situation again and again. Forever suggesting that we densify and build up.

    Out birth rates have been below replacement since 1990 we should literally be enjoying a reduction on the demand side of the equation.

    With housing the main cost in life it's time to consider the opportunity costs. I.e if we spent less on housing but more on pensions what is the true net benefit of an increasing population (which is/was supposedly the solution to the pension crisis).

    Build build build is the part of the solution but it's fools gold without considering things like the population aims of government (I say that because the population itself is self regulating already).

    Endless shortages otherwise

    There are of course many policy/ planning reforms possible but it's tinkering around the edges compared to the rest.

  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz

    Raise mortgage rates to 6% and the property market will crash

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  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭hello2020

    population growth may be low but Immigration from India and other countries is growing every day.. just visit any private college in Dublin and its full of foreign students who are living in shared accommodation but will be looking for new houses in next 5 to 7 years as they settle down !

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  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭hello2020

    build some seaside high rises

  • Possible public-private partnership to build modest low cost/low price homes using modern materials. Surely there is a way to build cheaply these days without compromising too much on safety/quality.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL

    Agree with point 1 and 3 but point 2 makes no sense. There is no free houses available all social housing tenants pay rent.

  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭hello2020

    Bray could look like that or much beautiful with world class high rise hotels and apartments ...

    city planners needs to visit island countries like Singapore to learn how to build modern cities

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL

    The majority of people in social housing are in low paid employment and will find it hard to buy their own home unfortunately. Thankfully the assurance of having rental security provided by the council is never going to change for them. Of course if employers want to start paying these people in low paid jobs better wages they could possibly one day be lucky enough to get a mortgage.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭donaghs

    The ECB sets Ireland's interest rate. So they won't be changing it to suit specific conditions in the Irish housing market. Part of the give and take of being in the Eurozone. They need to look at the bigger European picuture (e.g. how Germany is doing 😀).

    Although if the ECB go hard on inflation and jack up the interest rates, it could indeed take a lot of heat of out of the Irish property market, temporarily.

    Don't forget the ECB had low interest rates which helped fuel the runaway housing boom pre-2008 - because of low growth in Germany and France. And in 2008, when the world was heading into the Great Recession, Ireland facing a massive housing crash, the ECB raised interest rates, over concerns about inflation in Germany: Trichet reaffirms ECB inflation line in German TV | Reuters

    As a small number of poster have mentioned, you need to tackle both supply and demand. Changing planning regulations is "tinkering around the edge", and will inevitable lead to problems like Priory Hall, and other safety and environmental issues. Building more is only part of the solution. A rising population will continue to absorb new builds.

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,442 ✭✭✭✭Boggles

    The populous needs to stop hyperventilating about property. The same fúcking bi-polar attitude for the past 40 years. Commentators creaming themselves at crashes and peaks and homelessness.

    It wasn't long ago we were bulldozing houses.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭donaghs

    Do you mean bulldozing ghost estates etc due to the recession?

    The population of Ireland in 2008 was 4.9 million. Its now over 5.1 million, and rising.

    The news seems to give the impression that house building hasn't restarted properly since the recession, but look at CSO figures you can see house completions jumping up year on year from 2015.

    House Building & Other Construction - CSO - Central Statistics Office

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL

    Yeah that's right, it's their fault we've invited half the world into the country to keep wages artificially low.

    Also rent in social housing is based on the households income and doesn't stay the same. If you earn more you pay more.

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,442 ✭✭✭✭Boggles

    We weren't bulldozing estates in 2008.

    The current demand although it has slowed now is being driven by record deposits because of Covid and cheap interest rates (although gone up recently).

    The supply side according to the industry is because of material costs. Although we are set to exceed or new build targets this year. This will all normalise given time.

    If we don't stop and analyse exactly what the cause is and just jump in with more knee jerk reactions we will just keep continuing having a batshít housing market.

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,442 ✭✭✭✭Boggles

    We have the second highest minimum wage in the EU and second highest hourly wage across the board.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,081 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui

    Ireland has an unusually large percentage of children still living with their parents well into adulthood, including my household, so this vast pool acts as a counter to any expectation that demand should fall when supply picks up. The supply never increases enough to reduce this pool by more than a tiny amount.

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]

    Having a temporary buffer might take some of the heat out of the market hopefully making housing and rentals more affordable for all, instead of the councils competing for existing housing and rental stock. Unless you have a disability the state should only be providing the bare minimum until your situation improves. First time buyer grants and HAP supports provided up to this point have just made the housing and rental market more expensive for everybody. The state needs to stop relying on the private market and offer its own solutions where it can control costs. State could build basic low cost housing directly for first time buyers and low income families that act as starter homes you move on if your situation improves and sell back to the state so it can be offered to somebody else starting off or on a low income. Now there are plenty of issues that would have to be resolved first like the state having a skilled workforce to build these houses but any solution at this stage will require a lot of work. When there is a low end to the housing market the rest might start to balance out. Obviously there are many issues that have gotten us to this point, I'm merely offering one suggestion that might ease things.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers

    While that sounds like a potential solution it can have terrible consequences.

    Hotel prices are high enough without removing a lot of competition from the market, tourism will suffer if hotel prices become unaffordable, and removing airbnb is a dangerous game.

    while not a fan of high rise living we should be increasing the high rise commercial developments, the less footprint commercial takes up the better.

    We need infrastructure to make areas attractive to live in, and the more ambitious the infrastructure the more attractive the areas.