LIV Golf Invitational League...... NO Political/Ethical conflict posts, see Post#2

Well I've seen at least one (Martin Kaymer) say he wants to play in the majors in an interview. And there are no LIV events on the weeks of the majors in their 2023 calendar. So whether that's to avoid a clash that would reduce their audience or to allow their players to compete in the majors, it certainly indicates that they are not standing in the way of their players competing in majors.

The majors are pretty much set in stone. There's been talk about the Player's Championship being the 'fifth' major for years now and it hasn't happened. A LIV event can't become a major since it's an 'invitational' tour and not 'open' to everyone to qualify for and compete in..

With respect, nothing is set is stone!

The original majors were the Open, the British Amateur, the US Open and the US Amateur. The PGA and the Masters replaced the amateur tournaments as tournaments deemed to be majors over time as professional golf evolved.

Who's to say how professional golf will evolve over the next 10-20 years. LIV may morph into a tour with world ranking points. A compromise may be reached with the current tours. To take a snapshot of how professional golf is at the moment and say that will never change is to my mind very presumptuous.

Presumptuous? The newest major started in 1934. To think that this would change in a couple of decades from now is optimistic at best.

And to continue to suggest that a LIV tournament could become an major would require addressing the points I made that would prevent such an eventuality.

"And if you don't qualify, well your not the best are you."

That's a little inaccurate though, don't you think ? Its not as black and white as that. If you don't qualify because a dispute between tours has led to you being excluded, is not really a reflection of how good or not you are.

I agree with you that the Majors are set in stone of course, and will never be changed, nor should they be iMO. Genuinely curious as to why so strongly anti-LIV ?

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So someone in crowd shouted "she had it in her mouth and the kids walked in" when Smith lipped out a putt. Finding it hard t keep wit it.

Strange stuff getn shout after shots

I watched back the last 30 mins or so of the final round on youtube. Must say it's really not an appealing format to watch mainly due to the shotgun start element. It's hard to understand the nuances like with 3 holes to play and 2 players tied from 2 different groups who has an advantage based on the difficulty of their holes left to play. The commentators do try to explain but then they rapidly cut to someone like Mickelson who is nowhere near contention to show them taking an inconsequential putt, almost as if they have to contractually give them a certain amount of air time. Also the team element seems very underwhelming, the commentators with their exaggerated excitement when some makes a putt to put the Smashers(?) into third.

Even if the PGA was disbanded tomorrow and the actual top 54 in the world were playing this format I really think most golf fans would not be happy watching it.

I've yet to find the need to click in even for a looksee. I'm just not drawn to it.

This is the list as of 30th August

While you can see what they're trying to achieve with the shotgun start, it just doesn't work for me anyway. Part of a Sunday golf viewing is watching a story unfold for me. LIV is just too all over the place to let any narrative develop.

I watched it from early yesterday and they're really trying to sell the team element. You can tell the players have been asked to promote it as well. It's all just too forced.

The crowd is another big turn off. They can be bad enough at PGA tour events but LIV seem to be actively trying to bring out the worst in them.

Herself and the kids watched a bit for the first time. They didn't really know much about LIV and it was interesting to get their fresh views. None of them were fans of it really. It's all too naff was the generally reaction.

The flyovers are probably the worst part of it all. It's like taking a rollercoaster down the fairway 🤢 Different for the sake of being different.

All that said, DJ and Smith battling it out got my attention more than Homa and Willet could any day.

No sign of this other top 10 golfer deflecting, you would have imagined that they would have wanted a few more asian players signed up before the Bangkok event.

Same as myself, it’s only from PARlance post above that I found out Smith and DJ were going head to head. I don’t even know which one of them won in the end.

I wasn't actually arguing against you. Just posted the list in a reply to you to reinforce your point.

DJ, Smith and Bryson are three of the best players in the world for me, definitely top 10.

Views are a bit skewed because DJ was going through a bit of a lull, and Bryson was injured prior to defection.

Brooks is a funny one, not sure how good he really is or just had a serious purple patch. But on the balance he's a top 10 player, but again has been in a lull.

Niemann for me is one of the best upcoming players in the world and one of, if not the most likely next first time major winner.

At worst they have at least 5 of the top twenty, arguably 4/5 of the true top ten, not just moment in time ranking imo

But how good will they be when they're playing short tournaments for a good chunk of the year? I'd be interested to see how they fare now that they are committed to LIV and will have very little or no 'normal' tournament practice.

It makes a mockery of it though with Perez playing crap and earning that sort of money, I’d say he will be squeezed out soon enough, but he will be set for life. Crazy times for golf.