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Everything you always wanted to know about electric vehicle (but were afraid to ask)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,387 ✭✭✭KCross


    You should signup for the WeCharge one also. Just go for the free plan. WeCharge is international and has agreements with multiple providers, not just Ionity.

    You might never use it but if you signup for the PAYG plan it will cost you nothing until the day you actually need it and you might be glad of it then.


    And if you own an ID car you will have the app already on your phone anyway so its not even an extra app to download/update etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,370 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    What's the story with battery heating? It's an option in the settings, I've seen one video about turning it on before you get to a fast charger to help speed it up.


    But is that the only use? Is there a need to turn it on on a cold morning for just driving? Would it help with range or would the power taken to heat it offset that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,387 ✭✭✭KCross


    To get the max charging speed at a fast DC charging you need a warm battery. That's primarily what the battery heating is for.

    However, on a very cold day, you will also have restricted power from the car if the battery is very cold, so some cars will heat the battery to an operating temperature that allows max driving power. It doesn't heat it to the same level as required for max charging speed but just enough to give you max power.


    It will affect your range, unless the heating is done while plugged in at home, in which case the heating comes from your house electricity.

    In most cases you just let the car manage the whole thing itself. Its not something you worry about but it depends on the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,136 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @KCross - "In most cases you just let the car manage the whole thing itself. Its not something you worry about but it depends on the car."

    This is the important bit, you don't really need to worry about any of these things yourself, the car will manage it for you. An extreme example is the batteries in most Chinese EVs and in base model Teslas are of the LiFePO4 chemistry, which will be destroyed very quickly if you ever tried to charge them when the pack is below zero celsius. But again, the cars won't let you do this.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭innrain


    Agree with both comments but, when speaking about Tesla, it is good practice to let the car know you intend to charge. On a long drive it is worth adding the SuC as intermediate destination in the navigation instead of popping up there on a whim. Even when charging at non Tesla chargers it is good idea to navigate to the charger instead of simply showing up. I did some tests in the winter and for few minutes the car redirected good kW from the charger for warming up the battery. Now that I have the SuC in my back garden I could do more tests preconditioned vs not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,370 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    There is a button for it so I presume it has some real world use. But since you can't pre heat the battery from the app for a cold morning, it must be just for a fast charge in cold weather so it gets up to max speed faster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,889 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Has anybody any experience with extension cables for their tethered home chargers such as this one, do they work well?

    https://evonestop.co.uk/collections/extension-cables/products/type-2-extension-cable-5-meter-16-32-amp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 frankthetank83


    This charger has a 7.5m cable as standard if you haven’t installed yet and would stretch the distance

    https://www.electricireland.ie/residential/products/ev-home-chargers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Preconditioning of the battery, especially LFP in colder weather is an absolute must and absolutely will make a massive difference to charging speeds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,889 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,493 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I use an extension cable on a 32a CEE evse as one of my two regular home chargers with no issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    "Do I have to pay for parking while I am charging my electric car?" The answer is that it depends on the local council. In this video, Inge tries to explain and gives you a handy link to bookmark.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    There is a new EasyGo fast charge point in Mallow, but you won't find it on any maps, at least not in the correct location. Watch this video if you want to know where to find it!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    In this video, Guillaume reviews the Renault Megane E-Tech. How does it compare to his own Tesla Model 3?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    Picked up my new Tiguain PHEV last week and have a couple of questions that are probably fairly dumb but anyway;


    1. We've priced up getting a proper EV charger in our house. House is old and requires about 3k worth of work to support an EV charger. We'll be looking at extending the house in a few years which will require a re-wire and possibly move where the charger is. Would we be better off just getting an external socket and granny charging? I have access to proper chargers in work so don't expect to use the granny charger all that much other than the odd weekend or week I don't go into the office
    2. Public charging points - whats the best option for access to the most chargers? I don't expect to use them very often if at all but would like to have the option if we are away for a while or going to leave the car parked up somewhere for a few hours. Is it considered bad form to leave PHEV plugged in at these?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,183 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    I know about being ICED at a public charge point but is there one for being blocked by a PHEV who can't charge fast connecting to a super fast charge point when they could just plug into another one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Does this happen often? Considering that most super fast CCS charge points are "tethered" then I would imagine that the connector will not fit in a PHEV seeing as most of them only have a type 2 socket on them. Pulling into the charger spot and not connecting anything, should have a penalty applied on it for sure though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,387 ✭✭✭KCross


    1. Thats a tough one since you could be doing redundant work now if you are doing an extension in a few years. If you were not doing the extension or if it was, say, 10 years out before you were doing it I'd say spend the €3k and get it done (draw the charge point grant also which will likely be gone "soon") ... but its really only you can answer it based on your finances and future plans.

    I do think though that you need a home charge point. Having a charge point at work is great but that potentially means alot of your commute into work is on petrol, particularly if you have done other driving the previous evening. I think you'll be looking at <40km EV range on that car in winter. How long is your commute?

    Granny cable charging is ok as a short term solution but you shouldn't really rely on that long term and its also likely that your next car will be a BEV rather than a PHEV which means the granny cable wouldn't likely cut it then, so you'd have to bite the bullet at that point.

    Lots of variables here! I guess you can try out the granny cable for a while and see how you go. It will take about 5hrs to charge that car on granny cable.


    2: An eCars account would give you access to the majority of the 22kW AC charge points around the country. Its fine to charge your PHEV on those AC units. Its what they are designed for. The honourable thing to do is to move once fully charged. There is no expectation that you move immediately, just as quickly as you can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭innrain



    Did you asked the installer for only the 16A or 3.6kW charger? Maybe you don't need upgrading. You can buy a charging point that works for both 3.6kW/7.2kW the later being the most used/sold ones. Your car maxes out at 3.6kW so the wires required should be smaller.

    Here an example. (I do not endorse or represent the company. They were the first result on google)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭innrain


    Forgot to answer second point.

    Public charging for your car is covered 99% by ESB and easygo. Both on prepay, both quite expensive. There will be some other smaller players especially at hotels. but probably you can register on the spot if you need them.

    Regarding the form, the car charges on AC only. So you will not charge on the motorway stations at least in theory. However, ESB installs some legacy AC chargers on the same place with DC chargers, in a very stupid layout of 4 plugs/3spaces or similar. If used inconsiderately some AC user drawing 3.6kW might block an 150kW plug. Is not that they do something wrong but it mounts frustration for the others. If you charge at AC only points you use the system as intended although some might comment in this situation as well. My experience with PHEVs it is limited to 2 rentals I had last year for around a week each. One Skoda Octavia and another Audi A6. Skoda I managed to charge twice and while on electric it was a nice ride. With the A6 I didn't have anything handy to charge so I just lugged its battery around Germany with no benefit. Overall my opinion is that it is too much hassle to charge in public for very little return.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    Thanks for the replies all, will take it all on board.


    My commute is only about a 1km really and most of my journeys are <10k total during the week. At the weekend i might go a bit further afield. I had originally wanted full BEV but couldn't get one for January so went with this, range is about 45KM at the moment which would I'm hoping will get me through the week on electric mode. Driving it in that mode has just cemented that the next car will be BEV though, lovely to drive in that mode so that does sort of lead me to the conclusion of getting the charger installed sooner rather than later. Don't know exactly when we'll do the extension but it probably will be in 3-4 years time the way things are with building at the moment.


    I'll make sure to avoid those types of fast chargers so but in all likelihood i'll probably just use the petrol engine rather than stop for too long to charge the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    At those miles I would not invest anything past the granny charger .

    to be honest with that distance I would keep the old car and invest ina good pair of shoes or at a push a scooter !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,183 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    Where are people getting charging leads IF they need them? If my Tucson PHEV comes with the Granny cable as I expect it will where would people suggest to pick up the Type2 cable?

    Currently I won't have a home charger installed so granny should be fine but would like the option of having the other cable. Prefer to be looking at it than looking for it when I might want one.

    I had previously seen suggestions about buying the Tesla one but can't find that cable anymore and the previously shared link is to a 404 page.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,136 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I checked and it seems Tesla don't sell them anymore. That's a shame as they were savage value at just €99 shipped for a 3 phase 32A cable

    What charging speed can your Tucson do? If it is single phase 32A (7.4kW max), then this cable from Amazon will do the trick, good deal for £105

    If your car can do 11kW, you will need a 3 phase cable

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,183 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    The onboard is 7.2 so that's enough of course. I remember reading it was about €99 which would be handy. That's a shame it's no longer available.

    I'll buy a non OEM one I guess, they're everywhere now but recommendations welcome as electrical items aren't often the things you want to cheap out on.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    There are a few going cheap on Adverts at moment. Might be able to beat that Amazon price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    What could possibly go wrong when driving a 24 kWh Nissan Leaf about twice the estimated range in one day? This video contains anecdotal evidence of the state of the charging infrastructure in Ireland that may be upsetting to some viewers. Or maybe we were just unlucky.

    How was your experience the last time you had to use a public charge point? Please use this form to inform us of any queues you’re experiencing while charging your EV in Ireland: https://www.irishevowners.ie/q/?fbclid=IwAR3MoOISGNtFITh1m0a4edjjiTYyehBu-rQWbVyvLrR-LhN3qbFStlYsX3o




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,613 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Hi, I'm currently trying to work out some cost benefit analysis on an EV, would anyone be able to point me in the direction of current charger costs at forecourts, I'm just looking for indicative kwh unit rate figures for a standard slow charger and a fast charger. I'm looking at the 77kwh iD4 so trying to get an estimated cost for charging both.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,136 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Have you no home or work charging? If neither, I wouldn't advise on buying an EV until the public charging network gets better. If you do have home charging, you charge up very cheaply on night rate electricity. For most EV owners this is more than 90% of their charging, so it makes not much difference if public charging is €0.30 per kWh or €0.90 per kWh as you'd rarely use it.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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