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Do we really need Dublin?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,421 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Its After Hours. It is meant to be a bit of craic. There are a few that seem outraged but most people are just having a laugh.

    For example I don't really think Limerick would become a Narco State.

    Not so certain about the Midlands descending into cannibalism though



  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Vita nova


    If you want to call yourself a culchie that your prerogative but to many people including me it's a pejorative term and synonym for a country bumpkin, you know that! Lots of people from rural Ireland and outside Dublin in general especially in cities and large towns don't call themselves culchies, they may not find it pejorative but it's not how they think of themselves or describe themselves, so why call people what they don't want or like to be called.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Jaysus, but yiz are an awful sensitive bunch.

    Go rub a cow. It’ll help you chill out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Vita nova


    I know it's After Hours and it's meant to be a bit of craic and I find most things here entertaining and informative but there are times when I feel a line has been crossed and I respond accordingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Because I said something you attribute that opinion to everyone else in Dublin.

    Safe enough to make those assumptions I suppose, all us Dubs are full of notions anyway up above in Dublin the big pack of junkies that we are.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,130 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Lads, lads, lads. This hostility and divisiveness, slurs such as "culchie" and "jackeen", and talk about junkies and joyriders and woolybacks and sheep-shaggers is a subversive creation of our common enemy: The Southside. It's designed to hold is in perpetual petty conflict, so that none of us can realise our true potential. The fat-cats in the permanent government in Merrion Square, the bourgeoise of D4 (and yes, I do include the Ringsend bit), the brain-washing tyrants of Montrose - they've all conspired against the rest of us to keep us at our throats so that they enjoy their unlimited power as the reptilian elite.

    So the real question is: Do we really need the Southside? And of course, even a cursory glance at the question shows we don't. It produces nothing but pollution, but consumes everything except its own filth. If we were to simply remove the Southside - forcefully return it to its whore mother, the Irish Sea - the rest of us would see that we have so much more in common than divides us. We could usher in an era of utopia. Kildare would have a coastline, and Leixlip would be a pleasant costal fishing village. The M50 would only be half as long. We'd instantly free up enough electricity capacity for the rest of us to have all our lights on constantly all year round, without a care in the world. This is what we should all be working towards: the complete and utter removal of all of County Dublin south of the river Liffey. Anything else is an unacceptable compromise. Then we would live in peace and prosperity for eternity.

    Just to be clear, though, the Northside would be in charge after. The rest of yiz can have your say and all, that's fine and only fair, but don't be getting any notions, or you'll go the same way as the Southsiders. I've no problems creating more coastline, or lakes, from troublemakers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    All things being equal, I never thought of Culchie as a derogative term.


    The thing is for Culchies to call Dubs "Jackeens" insteada Dubs.


    That should settle it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    What chimneys in East Wall?

    Private ones in someone’s gaff?



  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Vita nova


    Assuming you're a French speaking Kaybaykwah then think of péquenaud as an appropriate synonym.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They still haven't figured out the 'immersion' yet.

    Someone left one on in Leitrim and that's why it is so sparsely populated these days.

    Don't tell Putin about how it can be weaponised.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    EU grants for the bog not enough this year?


    I wouldn't call myself ignorant, I've seen the documentary "Killinaskully" so I know what goes on in the dark regions of this nation.


    I think the difference comes down to education. Dublin people get their education in schools whereas country folk are educated in hedges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    Shlttest city ever haha.

    State of the people there as well 🤭😂. Most tourists I speak to tell me how bad a city it is. Locals can't afford to live there but they could join the Brazilian boys and live ten to a room if they wanted 😂.

    They fly more Ukraine flags than Irish flags In rub-a-scrub-lin guess it goes with the territory of being a former colony only issue is Manchester and Liverpool (the two comparable cities I guess) have architecture that is actually impressive. Rub-a-dub has a big spike 💩 because da English **** all over that smelly town and da Scrubs a dubs could never run it like a proper city since.

    Like a previous posted said the real beauty of ireland is it coastlines and coastal walks. Not in that scrub hole. They could at least fly a few more UA & LGBT flag to show how progressive they are to their mnc overlords I guess 🥺☹️.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You'll have to ask all the non-Dubs what they are doing living here.

    I suppose even the s******t city ever trumps living in a bog? I mean we can't even keep ye out even if we wanted to. And we do.

    And how can it be the s******t city ever if people are coming here from other cities abroad to live here? Our propaganda can't be that good???

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ah that's unfair. It's not the hedge that's the problem.

    The quality of hedge school teaching has dropped since the Church can't get the numbers anymore and Dublin started stealing all the day-cent teachers.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes there would have to be a reckoning in an independent Greater Dublin with the Southside Dublin Four 'State of Mind'.

    But who made the Southside that way?

    I don't have any facts to back this up but of course I must be right and I think we will see clear patterns of migration from outside Dublin to the Southside. If we deal with the Southside, we must take measures to prevent the pattern repeating.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,192 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    This is supposed to be a light hearted thread but some people are taking it awfully seriously.

    If a post goes too far report it and move on. Don't start taking it personally and getting into a serious row on thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    A new capital would need to be established in this 'new Ireland' and once that happens many of the same issues will quickly reestablish themselves. It's simply how almost every country on earth works, a high proportion of inward investment into a country goes to major cities and rural areas and provincial cities generally receive less and are less developed as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,130 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Good point, well made. Just that I think we should first concentrate on the enemy at the gates, before we brutally turn on our ostensible rural allies and lay waste to them.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,421 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Just unfollow the thread then?

    You are not a mod. They/we are tasked with ensuring lines aren't crossed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The Poolbeg decommissioned chimneys. I'm not a Dub so had to Google for the correct name. 🙄🙄🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Hey I may be prejudiced, a Dubliner and there may be some things of which I am ignorant. But its not cool to insult peoples stature. It doesnt bother me but might trigger some Napoleon complexes around here.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Just posting when you haven’t a clue. Fair play to you. 👏



  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Vita nova


    Joking aside, you have a valid point, I was using little in the same way as little Englander is used for the Pro Brexit side but it really is a slight on people's stature and I'll try not to use it again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Vita nova


    I've never unfollowed a thread or blocked users in my life on this or other fora, I don't believe in doing so on principle but maybe it would be better for my mental health if I did :-) but I won't.

    Of course I'm not a mod and when I talked about crossing a line I wasn't talking about a line that needed mod intervention or bans, just something that I personally really dislike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Always the same arguments. They should teach economics in primary school.

    Dublin will continue to subsidise those outside it because Dublin needs the resources from outside to survive.

    there are many people proud to call themselves “Culchie” but never heard a Dubliner proud of being called a “Jackeen”

    the weird thing a lot of this in my memory was from the teachers. All my primary school teachers were from outside Dublin. They were the ones going on about country versus Dublin. Why would we as kids even think about? It wasn’t like it was a rival school we were going to bump into. They would often be derogatory about Dublin and one of the reasons I hated Irish was when we went up another year the teacher would give out about pronunciation that was different to the teacher before being from a different county.

    most Dubs don’t think about the rest of the country daily but I always get the impression those outside are in a constant rage thinking about Dublin daily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Yes, but the Culchie term is Irish, and if both Culchie and Jackeen are deemed derogatory in this day and age, it is due to over-sensitivity. I think that there is a remoteness in the language that makes it less of an affront, nowadays. I may be wrong about that, but when I was living in Dublin in the eighties, there didn’t seem to be a big fuss about the use of such terms as insults.


    How is it that blacks can call themselves the n word a hundred times a day, the queers and others in the LGBT use derogatory terms in an affirmative stance, but others may not. If ever there was a double standard, it would be the perceived slight vs the actual intent…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire




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  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Vita nova


    I presume you're replying to my earlier reply to you? I really don't want to open this debate here again for various reasons, so I'll respond to you via pm later on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,741 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Lol "2 hour drive"

    You could count on one hand the number of people who had a car in the early 1900s.

    Dubs were West Brits, they loved old Vickie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,130 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Crowds throng Shop Street, Galway, as King Edward VII visits in 1903:

    🥳🇬🇧🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,741 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Lol you went out of your way to find that to answer a post I made just winding people up, you're taking it way too serious lad.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    There is a trade off, the TDs from the rest of the country accept the location of government departments in Dublin, tax schemes encouraging the financial services to be located there, etc... but in turn the taxes obtained must be applied for the benefit of the rest of the country.

    If that arrangement were to change, then you'd find that many of the advantages would be taken away and allocated to other cities and towns. That is how the game is played. There is not a TD in the country that would vote do disadvantage their area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    In the early 1900s... Dublin was the 2nd city of a global empire and Ireland elected more than 10% of its MPs.

    Versus today... Dublin is ham strung to 25 other counties which resent it and Ireland is one of the least important EU member states.

    Plus a 'drive' back then could have meant a horse and cart. For longer distances the Brits invented these things calles trains.

    (In the spirit of the thread...)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,546 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    Dublin's a kip....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,741 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    A good deal you say.

    Maybe it was for Dublin but not for the rest of the country when people could be thrown out on the side of the road on the whim of a Landlord after breaking their backs trying to live on a patch of land they could never own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Not by the early 1900s... there was 'killing home rule' with kindness which even applied to people outside Dublin.

    Rural Ireland always needs a pork barrel, whether it is provided from London, Dublin or Brussels.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭dunnerc




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭dunnerc




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    what would happen people from dublin outside the M50 ? and the airport would be gone. Malahide, swords, tallaght, saggart,rathcoole, lusk etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    are people outside the M50 culchies or does culchies really only start outside the old Pale boundary, roughly Dundalk to Arklow as far as westmeath and naas.? are farmers like in dublin mountains around bohernabreena and dublin airport,lusk, baallyboughal etc culchies?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,192 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Good question, op didn't define the boundaries of our city state :(

    C'mon op, take this seriously 😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Go to any town in Ireland there's criminals and drug users, since dublin is a large city it has more drug users than say limerick , we are in the midst of a housing crisis, inflation, high energy costs, we need 100k houses built just to provide a basic rental supply or for people on lower incomes, students housing etc so on what world do you think we could build a new city, capital, eg we are waiting years just to start building a children's hospital ,

    The location of Dublin is important, it has a international airport, its easy to insult dublin by going on about junkies who make up a tiny percentage of its population

    Yes theres problems with empty buildings, shops, offices, we are still recovering from the pandemic, we face some shops or cafes will close down as a result of high energy costs , increased costs of food, grocerys.

    I can't imagine why we would want to get rid of Dublin, by the way half the people living in dublin are from the country or non nationals working in shops, hotels, building sites, or tech company's. Working class dubs can't afford to buy a house, in the area they grew up in, its hard to compete with someone from Facebook who's on a 100k salary

    I lived in a small town 5pubs, 3 supermarkets, 2 cinema, s. A nice quiet town, walk from one end to another in 15 minutes,

    I much prefer living in dublin even if its more expensive than a rural area there's a wide range of shops cinemas theatres clubs etc

    I see a new future many more people may buy houses in small towns and choose to work from home instead of every tech worker going to dublin they, ll have a choice

    I think one problem is dublin services can hardly keep up with the rise in population we had a tech boom did we build high quality rental units to house all the workers no

    The broadband plan is supposed to provide a network for people who live outside city's in every part of Ireland it's government funded maybe in 5 years time we'll have 50meg broadband avaidable nationwide that's assuming we can solve the energy crisis look up new York City rental crisis if a apartment is advertised there, ll be 100 people queuing up to view it

    The government tried a decentralisation plan years ago it was a disaster it turned out its very hard to force 1000s of people to move to the country if they don't want to and to keep government services going at the same time

    I think in a few years time we might see old office buildings turned into apartments or student accomofation as company's realise alot of people want to work from home



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Munstersrebel


    Can we start the decoupling from the Dublin Pale by giving Cork Airport its well deserved Freedom from the oppressive DAA regime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    There was this band in the 70s or early 80s that had one of their album covers a tugboat pulling Dublin away from the nation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,130 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Good idea. Independence from the DAA has done wonders for Shannon Airport, renowned for being Ireland’s most pleasant, quickest and stress-free airport to use, mainly because it has no flights and no passengers. It’s a model worth replicating.



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