Do we really need Dublin?

2morrowHelios · 13-09-2022 4:49pm #1

At the moment it appears we live in a Dublin first economy.

What would happen if the country separated itself from Dublin (city and surrounds) and split? I would imagine there would be plenty of hurdles for the 'countryside' part, however, I think the rest of the country has a lot to offer without Dublin. There would be some key strengths for the countryside economy in terms of resources that Dublin would need (Water, Gas, Food) that could be negotiated for areas where the countryside are lacking

fliball123 · 13-09-2022 4:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058263217/do-we-really-need-dublin

Does Dublin need the rest of the country?? If taxes collected in Dublin only went into resourcing infrastructure and other areas within Dublin we would have an amazing city and the rest of the country would be in bother

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 13-09-2022 4:55pm

Residents outside of Dublin have to pay the same tax as a resident of Dublin, with a fraction of the services. No busses, no LUAS, shït broadband, no “fercilities” for the under-privileged youths of the countryside.

And yet who do you always see on the television moaning about how difficult they have it? How everyone looks down on them for their “salt of the ert” accent and coarse humour? The Dub. They suck up all of the country’s resources and squander it. I would rather die than ever live in Dublin.

fliball123 · 13-09-2022 4:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613336#Comment_119613336

They pay most of it they pay in more than they take

dunnerc · 13-09-2022 4:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613336#Comment_119613336

i would prefer you to die than live in Dublin !

jack67 · 13-09-2022 5:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058263217/do-we-really-need-dublin

Stupid thread and an equally stupid first post 🙄

Ten of Swords · 13-09-2022 5:10pm

If the country separated itself from Dublin as you suggest (obviously with walls, a moat, watchtowers and minefields) where would the countryside be administered from?

In other words, where's the new Capitol? (don't say Cork - that's absolutely inconceivable 🤣)

2morrowHelios · 13-09-2022 5:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613322#Comment_119613322

I would say yes Dublin needs the rest of the country currently. There would not be much going on in Dublin without running water from the reservoirs in the countryside, electricity, gas and the basics.

Furze99 · 13-09-2022 5:14pm

Well whatever about separating, one possible solution for a new island administration would be a kind of federal government made up of regions. And those regions could be Ulster, Connacht, Munster, Leinster and Greater Dublin. So Greater Dublin would become a region with same say as other four regions.

fliball123 · 13-09-2022 5:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613413#Comment_119613413

With the taxes that would be saved from not funding the rest of the country I am sure they could afford a solution.

dunnerc · 13-09-2022 5:17pm

And another stupid post

Jim_Hodge · 13-09-2022 5:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613413#Comment_119613413

Yet you posed the absurd question in the first place. Odd.

No city can survive isolated from its hinterland. Likewise any non Dublin area will require an administrative centre.

Strumms · 13-09-2022 5:21pm

Dublin became separate from the rest of the country the rest of the country is fûcked. Dublin would be paradise though.

the greater Dublin area has approximately 1.6 million people living in it…there are about 5.1 million people in Ireland.

roughly 31.4% of the population live in Dublin.

the country to be minus that tax intake of 1.6 million people. And the numerous businesses based here..hmmm

The country to be without Dublin airport and other critical transport links

hospitals in Dublin have people from all over the country occupying beds, so to be without those … ?

😅🎖🤡

dunnerc · 13-09-2022 5:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613447#Comment_119613447

Ah here stop making sense lol.....

13-09-2022 5:37pm

Dont we supply nearly half the produce grown in the entire country? The poor turnip-munchers would starve without our superior farming infrastructure.

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 13-09-2022 5:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613339#Comment_119613339

Absolute rubbish. A resident from outside of Dublin pays exactly the same tax as a resident of Dublin with a fraction of the same facilities available to them.

fliball123 · 13-09-2022 5:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613541#Comment_119613541

What about the corpo tax from the MNCs in Dublin and the fact that we have about 1/4 of the total population living in the area. The issue is the amount of tax payers not the amount.

EmmetSpiceland · 13-09-2022 5:54pm

Dublin should build a wall around the M50 and declare independence from the rest of the country. Deport anyone not from there back to their county of origin.

Make Dublin Great Again!

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 13-09-2022 5:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613556#Comment_119613556

MNCs, despite what the corporate propaganda will have you believe, are not people.

Greyfox · 13-09-2022 5:56pm

Yes, country folk need something to moan about

thomil · 13-09-2022 5:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613541#Comment_119613541

To be fair, unless you live along a few specific axes a few hundred meters either side of a Dart or LUAS line, you're not really that much better off than in any other urban area in Ireland. Dublin Bus isn't really that much better than Bus Éireann's city services in Cork, with similar reliability issues. This would encompass probably the vast majority of the city area. Availability and quality of housing is on par with other cities in the country and I wouldn't be so sure that available internet speeds in Dublin are that much ahead of other urban areas either. The city centre is just that little bit too large to be walkable, something not helped by decades of incompetent traffic planning that routes major thoroughfares right through the heart of the city. And whilst services like DublinBikes may be convenient, I've personally found that service far inferior to its "provincial" counterpart TFI Bikes, now available in Galway, Limerick, Cork and Waterford.

The only real advantages I see Dublin having, apart from easier access to the German Embassy in Dublin, which is more of a personal thing, are Heuston & Connolly station as well as Dublin airport and the ferry terminals in the port. What do all of these have in common? Exactly, they get you out of Dublin quick. Dublin may be large and its infrastructure may seem to be more advanced, but once you look under the hood, it's really just your typical Irish city turned up to 11.

fliball123 · 13-09-2022 5:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613589#Comment_119613589

Thats not the point the point is the tax that is taken from corpo tax are mainly from MNCs who are mainly based in Dublin, add in most of the higher earners IT/Pharma and the top end of public service mostly live in Dublin so ergo more and more tax which would be spent in Dublin. It would be the rest of the country who would suffer if Dublin was its own entity.

Daisy78 · 13-09-2022 6:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613336#Comment_119613336

But people in the country benefit from cheaper housing. It’s a trade off.

EnPassant · 13-09-2022 6:24pm

There is a table here showing tax receipts per county:-

https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/statistics/receipts/net-receipts-by-county.pdf

astrofool · 13-09-2022 6:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613541#Comment_119613541

Because the facilities cost an order of magnitude more to provide outside Dublin.

Would you be happy for the tax outside Dublin to be raised to a level to provide those facilities?

Zebra3 · 13-09-2022 6:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613587#Comment_119613587

You don’t seem to understand Dublin’s geography.

Also, if Dublin was to declare independence from Ireland, or the rest of Ireland declare independence from Ireland (leaving just Dublin), the new entity would have to apply for EU membership. Could take some time.

Starfire20 · 13-09-2022 6:57pm

lol, always amuses me how thin-skinned Dubs are, no matter how mild the criticism is.

they have such notions about themselves

EmmetSpiceland · 13-09-2022 7:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613819#Comment_119613819

Understand it just fine, thanks.

Yes, we’d lose a good chunk of north county Dublin but a lot of that is just farmland anyway so the country folk would know what to do with it and losing “west Dublin” is hardly that big of a loss.

I’m sure we could make it work. Especially without having all the country crowd moaning and complaining about the city all the time.

Zebra3 · 13-09-2022 7:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613932#Comment_119613932

Saying goodbye to a lot of corporate tax with the big pharmas in D15 and Grange Castle. As well as a lot of lebensraum.

Count Dracula · 13-09-2022 7:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613715#Comment_119613715

Thanks for posting.

But it is only useful if you can isolate the cost of each county to operate. Dublin supplies circa 61 percent of the national tax pool, the question is how much do the other 25 counties cost to run?

That is the economic answer in a nutshell.

I think it is also worth stating that Dublin is no longer as big as the county itself. People travel the length and breadth of the island daily to facilitate its' existence. Anyone living in Leinster is essentially a Dub now. It is only 100 minutes drive to Waterford. I have colleagues who commute from Connaught, every day.

So in answer op, to your fascinating concept, your answer from deepest Transylvania is a resounding no, the rest of the country would be phucked rapidly, get used to it.

Larbre34 · 13-09-2022 7:33pm

**** me, Boards is gone to ****.

Do we really need Dublin?

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