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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Licence renewal came in the post recently. Given the ineptitude of RTE and An Post to collect this from large number of householders - you start wondering why bother to pay. If the neighbour up the road isn't arsed and nothing is done about it, then are we the fools?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So back to RTÉ here's head of Yuff TV on why PSB matters ... now just remember what Dee Frobes says

    Over the last number of years, the top 10 earners are earing almost 40% less than they were in 2008 we've cut funding to children's content by 75% since 2017... It's less than 1% of our total spend. And these people this content are bringing in commercial revenue and is fulfilling a public service [remit]...

    What they do and what they bring, not just on screens, but out and about and being part of the fabric is important... I understand why people feel that way, but the numbers have reduced and it's something we have to keep an eye on. you can be assured that we will continue to ignore children's content.

    Now over to the head of Yuff TV...

    https://www.rte.ie/eile/2022/0614/1304715-suzanne-kelly-on-why-public-media-matters/


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭political analyst


    But Netflix and Disney aim their output at a global audience - the BBC does not do that with the iPlayer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭WealthyB


    Sold the TV years ago. Got an ex demo Mitsibushi 55" ex demo display monitor instead. Cancelled TV subscription. Got an Nvidia Shield instead and an IPTV subscription. Signed the declaration on the back of the licence that I was now exempt, and not once has anyone called on us or followed up. In the meantime I've literally saved thousands of euro over the last decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,649 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    What legal IPTV subscriptions are there in Ireland? Presumably they cost something, so that offsets your TV licence savings somewhat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭WealthyB


    IPTV subscriptions themselves are only illegal for the seller, not the buyer. As long as, as the buyer, you're not downloading/recording streams, and as long as you're not rebroadcasting the iptv service, I can't find any law that's being broken. Streaming (even illegally obtained content) on its own breaks no laws bizarrely.

    Edit - my iptv costs €80 per annum versus €360pa for the most basic tv package + €160pa for rte tax, which makes for €520 per annum.

    Post edited by WealthyB on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You need to understand broadcaster rights

    yes you have a Netflix account and sign into it in different countries but you don’t get the same programs in every country

    loke my account for Netflix is based in Mexico yet I get the Irish backlog because that’s what Netflix ireland can show

    On Disney they own all the shows across teh world so it’s a bit differney

    RTE buys the rights for ireland, so BBC buys for UK. If RTE was available across the world then why should the BBC buy the rights as viewers can just log onto rte player and watch.

    Hence why copyright etc is a huge thing, if rte player was available outside ireland it would be breaking laws and would be bankrupt in a few hours, probably bankrupt all of ireland, as companies sued



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler


    Oh look its not a huge deal and i'd never even watch the rte player at home. I thought maybe they could give u a log in pin when u buy the licence or something. But as you say there are laws and what not that don't allow this. Fairly first world problem for me to be whinging about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Not only that but 34% of what An Post "collect" is actually from Dept of Welfare. Though they changed their count this year.

    An Post collect 950,000 TV licenses or there abouts in 2021, they get 10m to 15m for that service!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Who thought some blond woman singing off a balcony in Cuba of all places would make a tv show. She's a singer I have never heard of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So the Future of Media Commission report is to be published.

    Funding for RTÉ recommendations to be ignored by government.

    Instead government will now set up a new working group and enact legislation so that everyone will pay the license.

    Right, good job everyone!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    TBH I don't think the people on the Future of Media Commission were experts, I think they were following a set of conclusions, and it was ultimately going to be a waste of time and energy.

    The government should have met with An Post and asked them why they were only able to collect 50% of the license fees, and how had it come to a situation were €12m was being given to An Post for the last 20 years with no real change on the numbers not paying.

    I'd say only about 20% of the 25% that aren't collected represent people without a "TV" and that wouldn't have been the case 20 or 10 years ago.

    Just to clarify my figures here are best guess.

    1. TV Licences collected 50%
    2. Welfare paid licenses 25%
    3. TV Licences evaded 20%
    4. TV Licences avoided 5%


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The 50 Conclusion which could be problably just 3 (and may an DIE 4th)

    RefHeading

    2-1Valuing Public Service Content as critical public infrastructure

    2-2Addressing Environmental Sustainability

    2-3EDI monitoring, data and research

    2-4EDI Standards

    2-5Diversity Boards and Leadership

    2-6Diversity Education, Training and Employment

    2-7Accessibility

    5-1New Public Funding Model for Public Service Media

    5-2Interim funding arrangements for the 2021-2023 period

    5-3Increasing Accountability and Transparency

    5-4Audience Engagement

    5-5Interim funding for RTÉ

    5-6Focus on Value for Money and Efficiencies

    5-7RTÉ to invest in innovation

    5-8Developing commercial revenues

    5-9RTÉ to reduce deficit financing and stabilise expenditure

    5-10Collaboration with independent production sector

    6-1Convert the Broadcasting Fund into a Media Fund

    6-2Establish a Local Democracy Reporting Scheme

    6-3Establish supports for digital transformation

    6-4Establish News Reporting Schemes

    6-5Establish Courts Reporting Schemes

    6-6Establish a Media Access and Training Scheme

    6-7Establish a Community Media Scheme

    6-8Funding Level for Media Fund

    6-9Implement the Copyright Directive, assess its effectiveness and take further action if necessary

    6-10Examine indirect tax measures to support PSCPs

    6-11Explore collaboration opportunities for PSM content re-use

    6-12Independent oversight of all public funding streams for journalism

    6-13All Island Media Economy

    7-1Editorial control for TG4 over its news services

    7-2Comprehensive review of the provision of Irish language services

    7-3RTÉ should give a greater priority to the Irish language

    7-4Implement Irish language provisions in funding schemes

    7-5Review of the Archiving Scheme

    7-6Establish audiovisual content levy and fund

    7-7Audiovisual Strategy to establish Ireland as a key source of entertainment content for the international on-demand market

    7-8Improve investment in Independent Production

    7-9Develop a Strategic Plan for sports broadcasting and promotion

    7-10Diversity and Inclusion strategy for sports reporting and broadcasting

    7-11Education and training

    8-1Objects and Principles of PSM

    8-2Independence and Funding of PSM

    8-3Resourcing Effective Regulation and Development

    8-4Regulation of the Independent Sector

    8-5Changes to Regulatory Provisions for PSC Funding

    8-6Prominence-related data

    8-7Defamation

    8-8Disinformation

    8-9Providing a statutory basis for the Media Commission’s expanded remit


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,161 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    It’s no biggie to say you don’t pay the tv licence because you pirate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭WealthyB


    If they eventually go down Dennis Naughton's route of the "Broadcast Tax" then I'll upgrade the monitor for a 4k telly but until then I'll sail the seven seas, me laddo 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Nice day they picked to produce the great report after two years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So this is what is happening from what I understand re: The Licence Fee

    1. A working group included a list of stakeholders is going to be set up to report on the Licence Fee by November.
    2. The budget will outline an some extra money for RTÉ why An Post sort out the collection of the fee.
    3. Meantime those avoiding or evading the fee will continue to do so while the government will make up those fees in the budget
    4. In other words no change yet but those of you foolish enough to pay for the licence continue to do so while we will pay for the TV licence spongers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,161 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Look 2.4m profit. Just don't mention how that could have been potentially €10m had the NSO moved across to the NCH as planned, but sure who's having an existential crisis!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Well RTE had a good covid anyway with yesterdays figures showing revenue increasing €13million on last year, and reporting a surplus two years in a row. So no doubt they'll be banging that drum again, after all it's in their financial interest to do so.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    If only the NSO had moved to the NCH as was supposed to happen in 2021, I wonder why the NCH and RTÉ were unable to make the transfer happen in 2021 lossing RTÉ 8m in fund, tut tut tut.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    RTÉ spent €4.3m more on staff and contractors last year despite aim to cut costs

    Just more proof that RTE say one thing and do another and how the hell does it cost you more in staffing costs when the country was shut down and you were taking money off the government to pay peoples wages???

    The management are not fit for purpose - they should be forced to reduce staffing and costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    2FM has turned a corner, they've turned a corner, just took them 10 years and nearly 50million euro from the license fee.


    RTÉ 2FM’s Dan Healy said he is happy with listenership figures and that the “two big risks” he took in shaking up the station have paid off.

    I think he might consider bring back Dempsey at this point!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,927 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    They had non stop advertising from the government, every single slot filled with covid information, probably paid for by the taxpayer at top dollar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,164 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Piffling makey uppey figures - when it stands on its own through advertising then that is a sign of they're doing something right, not by being bailed out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,263 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Marcos


    They are indeed. So where can people find the form to opt out of the licence fee as they are moving etc? I want to pass this onto someone who has finally had enough.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



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