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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "Objectively insanely mild". Nope, objectively nonsense strawman.

    Your comparison of "insanely mild" is with bubonic plague and Spanish flu.

    Yep, that's a strawman.

    And even than it's a pretty bad strawman. How many people died of plague or flu versus covid in Western countries over the same period?

    I can't believe someone is still reheating the same old arguments that were demolished 2 years ago.

    It is a numbers game based on how contagious covid is. It is about how many people covid sends into hospital and what that means for the ability of hospitals to function to treat everyone. That is what it has always been about and why country after country responded as they did. Even the countries such as England that tried to delay as long as they could had to respond eventually.

    So maybe take your own flight to China and if you can time travel back to its hospitals in Wuhan in the early stage of the pandemic and maybe you'll see some sense.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    You’ll have to dictionary definition of the fallacy of strawman. I reject your inference that I committed a strawman. Why ? My reply was supporting stats of other viruses. It was related to op’s plea for stats. What better way to produce stats other than other past viruses. None

    There’s no “reheating” anything from me. The authorities downright lied regarding direct covid deaths. They skewed figures to support their narrative / agenda along with scare at bed time stories from their RTE agents like Clare Byrne et al . We will never know the truth about the real numbers who contributed to actual covid patients. Our hospitals have always been busy in the winter.

    A hospital numbers game you say ?

    We were never close to max capacity. Of course the media were quick to scramble their hit pieces about the likes of a tiny Italian town with people of an average age of 85 and attempting to convince us all of a fate of full hospitals and dying 25 year olds on ventilators. Utter propaganda of the highest order.

    I should go to wuhan and see the busy hospitals in early covid ? Would that be the same region that supplied the world with those videos of people collapsing on the street reportedly dead of covid ?

    Yeah that country has an abundance of integrity, I’ll book my flight now ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Yeah. I had it 2 weeks ago along with my entire family including the elderly relatives. All grand by day 3.

    So symptoms mild ? Yes

    Deaths low ? Yes

    enough said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes, because the way to establish that something is "objectively" "insanely mild" is with the comparisons you made.

    So apparently, if it's not the Black Death or Spanish Flu it is "insanely mild".

    Yep, that's a strawman and you well know what you were doing.

    Your figures are garbage because they leave out the real numbers. How many people was it going to send to hospital. Any discussion of covid that doesn't look at how contagious it is nonsense.

    Yes, China's isn't known for its integrity. They would have covered this up if they could. They couldn't. Their hospitals got that bad. You can't refute that real event so you resort to deflection and smokescreen with nonsense about random videos on the internet. Whatever that means.

    Same thing would have happened here if we hadn't reacted. England tried to avoid it and the numbers in hospital couldn't be ignored, even by Boris.

    The rest of your post about "downright lies" and propaganda is bordering on conspiracy theory ranting.

    It's pretty clear you have no argument when you have to resort to such obvious tactics.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Talk about scrambling , you accusing me of strawman fallacies with your string of false equivalence about my “conspiracy theory” infatuation (your definitely losing the debate when you have to resort to that BS)

    Im standing by everything I said as it’s as clear as knowing water is wet and the sky is blue.

    “the real numbers” etc …. “How many people was it going to send to the hospital “ (strawman much yourself ?) On that I direct you to the very respected Lancet report that asserts that lockdowns achieved pretty much SFA in the grand scheme and just pushed the fatalities down the timeline a bit ….. yeah great job their governments …. Well done ! Clap clap



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Utter nonsense.

    Comparing covid as "insanely mild" in comparison with Spanish flu & Bubonic plague is a textbook blatant strawman. It's laughable you trying to back out of it.

    You are alleging that the scenes from Wuhan hospitals, the testimony of doctors there was made up and fabricated and cannot be trusted. Because ... apparently some random videos on the internet of unknown origin of people falling down. And that discredits the information about what was happening in Wuhan an its hospitals.

    This is conspiracy theory stuff.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭greyday




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    More crazy claims of strawman and conspiracy theories that I’m guilty of.

    China lost their integrity with those blatantly fake videos. ANYTHING they say then on is fake. Fool me once Shame on etc etc

    Anyway. I’m off to the pub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭greyday




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne



    So it’s insanely mild for the elderly around the world because your elderly relatives were grand after 3 days?

    My mother must be dossing in bed then because we were close to calling an ambulance.

    I will pull her out of bed now to make me a sandwich because dalyboy thinks she’s overreacting.

    Theres also 400 people in hospital for “COVID” who must be taking the piss with just the sniffles.

    Here me on a Saturday evening on my couch with COVID when I should be down the packed pub.

    I really am a smuck for isolating.



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  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You appear to be taking this very personally.

    COVID is an insanely mild illness based on all the data that is available to us.

    You couldn't possibly look at that data and say it's a severe illness.

    Just because it's not mild for your mother doesn't mean it's not a mild Illness.


    It's mild based on the many outcomes worldwide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes that's exactly what it means and it is utterly dishonest to suggest otherwise. Weasel words and semantic games - a blatant tactic. This is just a poor attempt at a rehash of the thoroughly discredited #justtheflubro garbage from earlier in this thread.

    A mild illness doesn't kill people. A mild illness doesn't put people into ICU.

    It is mild for many people. That does not make it a mild illness as a whole. To say it is an "insanely mild illness" is well, there's a word in there that describes that statement alright.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭US3


    How are hospital numbers dropping again without mask mandates ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    I’m not taking it personally.

    COVID is mild for some, moderate for others, severe for others and deadly others.

    that’s it.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Am elderly relative in really poor health once died of a cold. I guess a cold is severe now...



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Indeed.

    But mild for vast vast majority based on the official numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    #JustTheFluBro

    It was nonsense then, it is nonsense now, and now it is an utterly dishonest attempt to rewrite history.

    Covid isn't a cold. If you don't get that after 2 years you must have a real bad case of covid derangement syndrome.

    Look at the figures for deaths, hospital and ICU admissions for Covid. And for a Cold. It is just plain lying to equate the two with weasel words.

    And if you think all the major public health authorities and major governments in the world got it wrong and covid is a cold, and are covering it up. Well that's a conspiracy theory. So at least be honest and come out with it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn't say COVID was a cold. You said and I quote "A mild illness doesn't kill people". So perhaps you think a cold is a severe illness?

    Anyways, the numbers are available for anyone that wishes to look. If you look at those numbers and believe COVID is not mild, then you're simply not capable of understanding figures.

    Maybe find a maths expert and ask them if greater than 99% is a large number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "Am elderly relative in really poor health once died of a cold. I guess a cold is severe now..."

    But you "didn't say COVID was a cold".

    Pull the other one. It was garbage when it was #JustTheFluBro and it's still garbage now.

    I'll rely on medical experts and all the major public authorities in the world - over some randomer on boards with nothing more than weasel words as evidenced above.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You said a mild illness doesn't kill people. I pointed out that a relative died of a cold. Therefore, you must believe a cold is not mild by your own definition?

    There's no need to get so aggressive.

    If you believe that less than 1% is not mild, then you are entitled to that opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    More attempts at #JustTheFluBro this time with a cold! Did you relative die with a cold or from a cold? Isn't that another covid denier meme?

    Is it an "insanely mild illness" or not?

    So why are you talking about a cold?

    You can't even keep your lies straight.

    An "insanely mild illness" does not put people into the grave, ICU and hospital in the numbers it has accounted for.

    You have no answer to that so you have to engage in weasel words about colds.

    And so no, I don't want a maths expert to tell me that is and isn't a mild illness.

    I'll rely on the health experts - and nope, they don't class covid as a mild illness.

    And this is from the WHO - the clinical spectrum for Covid.

    Patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection can experience a range of clinical manifestations, from no symptoms to critical illness. In general, adults with SARS-CoV-2 infection can be grouped into the following severity of illness categories; however, the criteria for each category may overlap or vary across clinical guidelines and clinical trials, and a patient’s clinical status may change over time.

    • Asymptomatic or Presymptomatic Infection: Individuals who test positive for SARS-CoV-2 using a virologic test (i.e., a nucleic acid amplification test [NAAT] or an antigen test) but who have no symptoms that are consistent with COVID-19.
    • Mild Illness: Individuals who have any of the various signs and symptoms of COVID-19 (e.g., fever, cough, sore throat, malaise, headache, muscle pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of taste and smell) but who do not have shortness of breath, dyspnea, or abnormal chest imaging.
    • Moderate Illness: Individuals who show evidence of lower respiratory disease during clinical assessment or imaging and who have an oxygen saturation (SpO2) ≥94% on room air at sea level.
    • Severe Illness: Individuals who have SpO2 <94% on room air at sea level, a ratio of arterial partial pressure of oxygen to fraction of inspired oxygen (PaO2/FiO2) <300 mm Hg, a respiratory rate >30 breaths/min, or lung infiltrates >50%.
    • Critical Illness: Individuals who have respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction.

    https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/overview/clinical-spectrum/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    This **** suppresses the immune system and people are calling it mild?




  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thanks for pointing out what we already know.

    Now look at those official figures I suggested and you'll see that the vast majority were mild.


    Sometimes a plane crashes and hundreds of people die. Very sad. But the vast majority of flights land safely and we therefore don't deem flying to be a severe risk of death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    First we needed to learn maths now we need to learn about aeroplane crashes.

    Anything but what the medical experts say!

    Wait, is it "insanely mild" or just doesn't have a "severe risk of death"?

    What weasel word phrasing would you like to settle on?

    Even if you want to go down that route, you still don't have a leg to stand on. Sometimes planes crash. But some planes crash more often than others. They are not safe planes - I'm talking about Comets and Boeing 737 Maxs.

    What you keep trying to run away from is that covid is a highly infectious disease. The number of people it sends to hospital is function of its severity and how many people it infects. And covid is both more severe and more infectious than flu, cold etc. Covid poses a severe risk to public health systems. It poses a severe risk to the vulnerable people in our society, who number in the hundreds of thousands. This is based on not just the deaths, but the risk of hospitalisation and need for ICU.

    This line of argument was garbage as #JustTheFluBro and it's even worse second time around.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Historically Covid has been quite severe but these days it’s not the big bad wolf that you and your aggressive lockdown ilk think it is. Whether it’s down to immunity, vaccines or a milder variant who knows.

    We have a population of 5 million and covid is rampant everywhere but yet we have only about 400 people in hospitals because of covid. That’s 0.008% of the population despite a virus that’s rampant.

    There is now no justification for restrictions in Ireland thankfully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    So you fell for that crap and misinformation on twitter lol good man. We better lockdown quick!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Crap and misinformation? From Dr Lambert, an infectious disease doctor. Christ on a bike. It's you with misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If you think Covid has been quite severe, how about responding to the posters who think it is an "insanely mild illness".

    And they aren't talking about just "these days", they are talking about coronavirus as a whole - not just Omicron versus a highly vaccinated \ exposed population.

    Or did you miss that bit?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I’m not getting into your arguments with other posters. I’m telling you how it is now. As far as I’m concerned 2020 is the past.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The depletion of t cells and exhaustion is complete misinformation. Believe what ever BS you want.



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