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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Again you are not explaining yourself, "somthing" is failing, what is the something? What has "failed"? What is "collapsing"?

    Do you see that you are not saying anything?

    Things change and you may not like them but doesn't mean anything. Are you expecting some kind of revolution? Are property owners going to have their property seized?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    you can clearly see we re currently experiencing a rapid rise in social dysfunctions, in the form of addiction, mental health issues, and all sorts of dysfunctional behaviors, in extreme cases, for example america, this can be seen even clearer, such outcomes occur when humans are unable to fulfil their most critical of needs, i.e. property, health care etc etc, this can also be seen here in ireland to.... and the only solutions our state and major institutions have is to further accelerate these problems, which also leads to rapidly rising wealth inequality, i.e. we re in serious crisis, i.e. we re in state of social crisis, potential social collapse, and the institutions we have created to resolve these type of issues, are unable to react, and in fact keep defaulting to effectively the wrong answers, i.e. further accelerating the issues to hand....

    yes, it truly does depend where you are in life, you will find, most, but not all, older generations truly are doing better, as polices have been more so in their favor, polices such as the maintaining the value of their assets such as property, but this is coming at a cost, a cost to younger generations, i.e. their own kids, grandkids, nieces and nephews etc etc

    again, woman entering the work force, or remaining longer in the workforce, has not caused the hyper inflation of our property markets, the age of financialisation truly has caused this....



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,186 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    I’ve experienced the madness that is trying to explain simple things to you on the Dublin airport thread, so I’m not going to engage in this too much with you. If people are not interested in buying a “particular place” they would naturally gravitate towards the cheapest areas with the best value. But people do want to live in a particular place, if you cannot afford that place though, in the past people didn’t really expect others to help them, they either moved to where they could afford and if that wasn’t a possibility domestically, emigrated.

    If you are waiting for someone to help you buy a house in a particular area, either wait for that help to arrive (which of course may be never) or look to other areas/markets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ..again, you re simply unable to see that something catastrophic is failing, and its looking like most of our political representatives also dont see this.....

    its clearly obvious, if we maintain this approach, there will more than likely be serious social and economic breakdown eventually, for example, elder care effectively collapsed during covid, this care is generally provided by younger generations, but if we continue as we are, and these younger generations are simply unable to provide themselves with their most critical of needs, they simply also wont be able to provide you with your elder care, as you age!



  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich


    housing is a human right it should be in the constitution Sinn Fein will tax the bankers and use the money to build houses if we vote them in we'll be looked after free houses free healthcare free education free bins.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You really talk a lot and say nothing. Society hasn't collapsed or about to. We had most of these problems before and did very little about them now we acknowledge them. I take it you are below 30 and not used to the real world where revolution doesn't actually happen. The quality of life is greatly improved for all in this country since I was a child. I don't see people in rags on the street with no shoes which was possible in the 80s.

    You just sound completely clueless and inarticulate. When I was a child nobody's mother had a job now the majority do and households are dual income this changed things dramatically and permanently. It took time and demographic were drastically different then and are vast young generation got older.

    You are incoherently rambling. I asked you how the the government policies to get investment in to develop property is failing. You haven't answered that yet. You have tried and failed to bring in so much else but still haven't answered. I am guessing you can get by with out having cohesive thoughts but seem to think you have some insight into economics and social progress. Can I ask what formal education you have had on the subjects? I only have leaving cert honours economics and 10 years implementing government social policies



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    again, sf supports might need to get over themselves, this is not whats going to happen when they eventually go into government! its very likely we ll see very little change, particularly in the first couple of years of sf's government, such is the complexities of these problems, sf, like all other governments will have serious limitations available to them to change things, so expect these issues to persist for many years to come....



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    I was correct about Dublin airport and have being proven right, its a mess and has been for abot a year. I am also correct on this one, i have being talking about our housing problem for about 3+years.

    You are living in a bubble, you need to get out more and see reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    oh ffs, mullally truly is right, some truly dont get this at all!!

    i ll get back to you later, im very busy right now, im well in my 40's by the way!

    again, tis only your future at stake here, so, no pressure!

    i think i may have found your underlying problem, academic economics, also known as neoclassical economics, you truly should look into the criticisms of this disturbing school of thought, no wonder why we are where are are, and the fact you have been implementing polices based on this school of thought, yup, theres your problem kids!



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,186 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Free space between your ears if you think that is possible.

    Im reminded of that famous debate before the last election when Pearse Doherty was asked where he was going to get the €40billion necessary to carry through on their campaign pledges, without raising income tax, suffice to say he couldn’t explain how they would pay for all they promised. I say let them in there, very quickly the public will see it is more of the same, you can’t “magic up” mass housing, free healthcare/education/sanitation without someone having to pay for it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,186 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Not to cross over threads, but you were wrong, everyone told you that you were wrong, eventually even the Mod questioned your ability to understand basic concepts, and yet you still don’t understand that ramp/service staff work for the airline, not DAA.

    Now, I can see his thread is going to go the same way with you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    Walking across the road is a risk if we don't chack if there is traffic, i know several people who were wealthy and lost everything when there was the crash simply because they lost the run of themselves. The fact is if we take too big of risk there is a chance we will get stung.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    SF let the crisis happen for the last 5 years and are all talk now when the damage is done. Wht were they not saying when these international funds were and still are buying up whole developments. TALK TALK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    What is with you not answering questions put to you? That appears to be your problem. You aren't listening and are just regurgitating information you read. The study of economic was/is not just taught one way. Criticism of economic views is key to the education so you are not only taught neoclassical economics you are taught economic principle and their effects along with the need to understand statistics.

    You don't get simple logic. Noticed you failed to explain how you are educated and informed on the subject. We can rule out you studied/understand economics. I implemented decisions made by others and had no say in the policy. Not sure what you do for a living but do you get to decide how everything is done?

    If you are well into your 40s how do you not see the improvements in living standards?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    But you made the claim you didn't see it as a risk EVER. You could simply say you were wrong. After talking to you we are now in a situation where you now inform me you know several people who lost money with property but blame them as they were greedy or lost run of themselves. In fact you made it clear that nobody should buy a rental property unless they own their own property outright. That is to say that they can afford the risk.

    So are we clear buying a rental property is big financial risk? People don't take risks for free



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    academic economics is primarily neoclassically based, and id completely agree with economist steve keen on this one, 'it perfectly describes a world that actually doesnt exist', i.e. its largely nonsense!

    ..the fact that under such school of thought, humans are considered 'rational beings', hence the term 'rational expectations', when the fact is, humans are in fact highly complex emotional beings, whos decisions are based on such...

    ...and one of the most disturbing facts under this school of though, it still has a refusal in accepting the true functions of money, banks and debt in our reality, no wonder it completely missed 08 coming, when many critics of so, seen it a mile off, this can be clearly seen in the actual data....

    yes, of course i do indeed see the rapid rise in living standards, but there has also been a rapid decline at the same time, neoclassically based ideologies have a severe inability of seeing both are in fact true, at the same time! neoclassical projections tend towards dichotomous outcomes!

    ...and again, one of the main failures of neoclassical, i.e. logic! humans are not logical beings, period!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Listen you want to keep spouting stuff you read you need to start answering questions to you or this is pointless. At best you are just overcome with emotions at worst you are a coward with no desire to discuss anything just shouting at the sea



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    All of them but you can start with what makes you so knowledgeable on the subjects



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    fair enough, im not going back over the tread, i simply dont have the time, so tis up to you.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    lovely stuff, round and round we go, fairly typical neoclassical thinking alright!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    So as I said you won't answer questions and here you go again because you won't answer the question



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...so what is the questions, i.e. im giving the opportunity to engage, in an attempt to simplify, but not to neoclassical levels of over simplification?



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    It's a personal decision, i would not jump into the liffey as i am not a good swimmer, there is no way i would risk my home for profit.

    Its nothing to do with right or wrong and if people want to do fine. Anyone who took advise from a bank before the crash were greedy fools.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    What is your education or working experience to say you are knowledgible on the subjects of economic and society development? Clear enough for you?



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