Right to a house?

pgj2015

What is this bull$hit I keep hearing from people? Everyone should have a right to a house? Really, a building worth maybe 300,000 euro or more. why should anyone think it is their right to own one?

People work hard to buy a house, pay off a mortgage for 30 years etc but someone else just has a right to a similar house and they don't have to do anything to earn it? They can just lie on the couch all day drinking cans and watching judge judy. It it ridiculous.

walshtipp

I agree. But the real problem is that people are working hard with the goal being to purchase a property, but unable to get on the ladder due to high house prices and low availability. The 3.5 rule is a pain too.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217471#Comment_119217471

There is always ways to get what you want but it takes work. This crap of people moaning that they should be entitled to a free house is crazy.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

If there's free houses going count me in. 40, working in public service and not a hope in hell for me.

thefallingman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217480#Comment_119217480

You and me both wolf

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058250693/right-to-a-house

Are you talking about owning a house or having a house to live in?

A house is a capital asset and as you say needs to be paid for.

Anyone who lies on a couch drinking cans and watching TV will never be able to pay for a house.

They still need a place to live though.

walshtipp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217474#Comment_119217474

Yes it is wrong for people to be in the mindset that they should get a free house. It is important to work for what you want.

I work long hours in the hope that I will be able to purchase a property. I am on an average enough salary but my salary x3.5 is nowhere near enough to get a property. So have to save for approximately 10-15 years to top up mortgage with cash.

I am not moaning about it but affordable housing needs to be available for those not on high salaries.

Michael D. was absolutely right with the comments he made about housing. It is a disaster.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217497#Comment_119217497

I don't lie on the couch drinking cans! It's bottles I drink.

scwazrh

If you’re 40 and don’t have a house it has to be asked what were you doing in your twenties .And if the answer was having fun or travelling well ,you made your bed …Plenty of 40 year old we’re saving their arse off and having no fun in their 20 & 30s and now have a house to show for it.It’s people in their twenties now who are screwed through no fault of their own.40 + year olds without a house at the moment will largely be due to your own life choices.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217497#Comment_119217497

Im talking about having a house to live in.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217502#Comment_119217502

People just need to move from places where housing is so expensive. Dublin for example.

Gant21

The island of Ireland is gone.

Cdemess

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217517#Comment_119217517

Wine bottles - ya crazy thing

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217530#Comment_119217530

just because you had fun in your 20's doesn't mean you wont have a house by 40.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217555#Comment_119217555

No. Beer out of bottles and wine out of cans. I'm fierce classy like that

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217538#Comment_119217538

Thanks for clarifying.

So we can leave out all the people who are concerned about buying a property.

So what do we do about those who for one reason or another just need a roof over their heads?

Cdemess

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217562#Comment_119217562

It all depends on where you want to live. Buying a house is easy if it’s not expensive in the first place.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217569#Comment_119217569

That would be their problem wouldn't it?

Taylor365

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217530#Comment_119217530

Yes. Lets ignore 2008-2014 and the damage that had on graduates at the time and thier earning potential.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217575#Comment_119217575

If you want a house worth 500,000 for example, that is up to you to figure out how to get the money/mortgage to buy it.

Cdemess

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217564#Comment_119217564

A carton of wine is even better.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217582#Comment_119217582

They could have went to Australia to work like what most young people did.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217587#Comment_119217587

Seriously!? Were you dragged up?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217486#Comment_119217486

The good news is we can afford one when we retire.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217517#Comment_119217517

Same here, I don't watch judge Judy either, I watch judge Rinder

Gant21

The island of Ireland is gone.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217602#Comment_119217602

That sounds like a fetish judge. Any links?

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217576#Comment_119217576

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217548#Comment_119217548

With respect it might be more than their problem.

If they move from where the jobs are just to get cheap rent they are more likely to remain on JSA.

If there are no people left in Dublin to do all the low paying jobs who will take up the slack?

oceanman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217576#Comment_119217576

except it becomes everyones problem.

Cdemess

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217628#Comment_119217628

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217628#Comment_119217628

Bless

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217628#Comment_119217628

..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoEotny5_jI

growleaves

Okay you've convinced me, I'll settle for a free apartment.

I'll try not to spill beer on the wood flooring when I'm watching Judge Judy.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217657#Comment_119217657

Ta fook!

I wasn't far off!

thefallingman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217595#Comment_119217595

😂 we wish

thefallingman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217530#Comment_119217530

Wow judgemental much ?

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217712#Comment_119217712

Sweet,I'm gen X so I get to keep my place. Bury it with me.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217569#Comment_119217569

We do what we're doing..hostels, hotels or direct provision. But that doesn't seem to be ever enough, everyone seemingly deserves a home of their own no matter what they've ever contributed to society.

And people wonder why they can't afford a home, and congratulate Michael D on words well said. He was speaking at a homeless charity opening of accommodation for homeless people. The irony, it is this very policy which is leading to the disaster!

If anyone in authority had any balls they would come out and say that anyone seeking housing who doesn't contribute should be thankful for what they're offered. People who complain about not being able to afford a house yet support housing provision for everyone have only themselves to blame.

I don't give a sh1t about homeless people, everyone makes their own lives, if you want to provide for them then don't complain about your own lot.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217754#Comment_119217754

So all those people working minimum wage jobs, low hours contracts, short term contracts, gig economy should live their lives in hostels or direct provision?

So we create an underclass with no stake in society and no way out because we need them to support our lifestyles?

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217803#Comment_119217803

I particularly said people who don't contribute, we're all paying for those who don't, the provision of housing for them is directly affecting those that you mention. The underclass are now those who work minimum wage, there is no reward for them, is it any wonder there are vacancies everywhere?

bnt

Can we stop talking about this in terms of “rights”? It’s an unhelpful way of looking at the problem. The failure of the housing “market” to provide affordable accommodation is a drain on the economy, and it’s in the interests of the whole country to do something about it. Affordable housing isn’t a “right” any more than affordable healthcare is a “right”, yet there seems to be a better understanding in government of the economic effects of unaffordable healthcare and why that should be avoided. When people have to spend too much just to survive, it affects the economy as a whole, not just those people.

Also, why do housing discussions always seem to revolve around houses? The way some people talk, there’s some lazy assumption that everyone is going to get married and have kids and pets, and singlehood is temporary and so doesn’t merit any consideration at all. Are planners even aware of the declining marriage / increasing divorce stats? Single people need apartments, not houses, at affordable rents.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217844#Comment_119217844

By contribute I presume you mean take up paid employment.

Yet there are many in paid employment as you say that have no chance of paying the rent on a place of their own.

There is always a fluidity in the numbers needing help with accommodation but the latest available figures suggest that nationally there are about 10,000 homeless with about 3,000 of those being children.

If you break that down into family units, various categories of disability, long term illness etc. you would probably need about 5000 to 6000 houses to house them all.

Even if it was socially desirable to house them all in hostels and direct provision facilities the number of houses made permanently available to the working poor would not solve their problem.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058250693/right-to-a-house

That is only half the problem. The other is that a housing policy based on people taking on huge amounts of debt or relying on social services to put a roof over peoples heads is a good idea! Then elect politicians to carry it out and you have a problem that can not be solved. I remember the early 60s when we were housing families in the the part of married quarters in army barracks that the military were unwilling to house army families in. We did not solve it then and we’re not going to solve it now either unless there is a major shift in the voters thinking and I don’t see that happening.

enricoh

Here's a fella that moved here and is unable to support himself and his family n requires a house. It is high time we stopped unskilled migration into the country - the Brits have pulled up the drawbridge n paddy is the only show in town now.

Someone posted stats on another thread and iirc there was 80-90k new pps numbers for immigrants in the last year excluding Ukrainians which were another 35k. Crazy numbers.

RTE.ie: Focus Ireland: Meath County Council letter to homeless family 'counterproductive'.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0617/1305579-meath-homeless/

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217690#Comment_119217690

That guy forgets that a lot of us were forced abroad due to lack of work in our 20s and early 30s. It wasn't a "holiday". There are other factors there too like the breakdown of relationships and suddenly not having a house. It's a super simplistic way of looking at it, don't have a house by 40 - oh you were obviously not working hard, holidaying etc.

Potential-Monke

I'm not a fan of those "4EVA HoMe" people either.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217754#Comment_119217754

You don't give a **** about homeless people?

There are people who are sleeping on the streets as a result of their upbringing, as a result of mental illness, these people need help and support, not your condemnation.

We all don't come out of the same starting blocks.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058250693/right-to-a-house

Really, a building worth maybe 300,000 euro or more.

scwazrh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217977#Comment_119217977

So those of us that do , were we just lucky? I had just qualified in the construction industry 3 years before the Celtic tiger died so wasn’t exactly blessed with timing .

Sometimes the simple way of looking at things is the correct way . It’s not the housing market situation that has 40 year olds unable to buy a house , it’s the position the 40 year olds have allowed themselves get into that stops them getting a house.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217530#Comment_119217530

That's forgetting that people in their forties now lived through the recession. Plenty of people were responsible in their twenties and got caught up in the mess that was the recession, only able to rent and now even doing that is excessively expensive.

A right to a house isn't something any reasonable person is arguing for, a housing market that isn't massively weighted in favor of rich speculators taking supply away from working people is a reasonable notion and not something to be dismissed out of hand.

We are living in a time where even renting an apartment is nigh on impossible never mind finding a home to buy within a reasonable distance of the of the one city everything in this country is centralised around without having won the lottery.

Saying people are getting what they deserve for traveling in their twenties is reductive in the extreme.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218075#Comment_119218075

Yeah it's never their own fault is it?

Stephen_Maturin

Think a distinction needs to be made between the people who are complaining about housing in that they expect to be housed but the lists, locations offered etc are not what they want. Then there are people (like myself) complaining about housing in that my partner and I who are tax payers, both have post graduate degrees and decent jobs and yet will likely never be able to afford a good house. Our parents generation would’ve been able to save for a few years and get a mortgage, properties within their reach that I would never even dream of being able to live in.

And that’s sad. We’ve done everything right in life that we could and have just been completely and utterly shafted.

The “I’m alright Jack, I’ve got mine, go **** yourself” attitude espoused by OP and many of the older generations would make you sick.