Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Easy enough to link back:

The bet (it was indeed 50, funnily enough you talked yourself down to 50 later 😉)

I'm not sure if the person who has proven to be so wrong that they made and lost (and wouldn't pay out on) a very public bet is the to be talking about weakness, looking back through some of your older posts from the time is hilarious. I'm also happy with COVAX as the recipient.

Though am interested in what was behind the "without saying too much" as it sounds like you might want to talk about a conspiracy there.

How do you know they are vaxxed? There is lots of medical staff including consultants doctors and nurses that are not. (You assume they are vaxxed)

The extreme pro vaxxers believe drugs will solve everything. Unfortunately as we head in to another Covid wave it is blatently obvious that the vaccines have certainly failed on transmission. Hospitalisations are nearly at peak levels despite 93% of the adult population being injected with mRNA at a cost of billions. We were told the mRNA vaccines could be tweaked within weeks to deal with variants. We were sold a pup,

My point is the vaccines have not worked. Omicron worked and spread like wildfire creating immunity. We will never know on the vaccine situation as 95% of the population has been vaxxed. And we are still showing record rates in hospital and ICU's and deaths are to follow. Your last point is relevant. There is lots of extreme pro vaxxers like King Mob Astrofool and igotajab and Extreme anti vaxxers like buzzer. There is no room for critical thinking or a moderate opinion.

I'm a bit confused about the combination of points \ questions.

The vulnerable have died even prior to vaxxing.

Yep, that's the whole point of vaccination.

We had 7500 deaths accountable to covid so to say "a lot of the vulnerable would have passed" doesn't add up. I think you need to distinguish between vulnerable to severe covid \ needing ICU versus the very frail who are coming into their final innings. In the first wave of covid, as I have noted already, the cohort with the highest numbers in ICU was 55-64 and the median age in ICU was 60.

Omicron is highly transmissible and we have no real restrictions in place. Without vaccines we simply couldn't carry the level of cases as the translation from cases to cases needing hospitalisation would be too high.

Coming up with the template for a variant specific vaccine is quick. Producing quantities of the vaccine and rolling out mass vaccinations in time to meet that variant is not. The vaccines target the spike protein and this gives durable protection against severe covid and a temporary boost to protection against infection.

There are plans in place for Omicron specific boosters but by the time that all rolls out... there could be another variant.

Anyone over 70 does not generally go to ICU?

Nope. I don't know where you are getting your information from as you provide no sources, but it doesn't add up - again.

In Wave 3, ICU admissions:

65-74 years 260 26.7

75-84 years 132 13.6

I refer you to my previous point, which you have provided absolutely no evidence to refute:

The vaccines have not worked? So over the entire course of the pandemic they didn't reduce deaths, hospitalisations, severe covid?

Nope. You don't even try to back up this big claim with any evidence. Because you can't.

The vaccines worked as intended. They worked at preventing severe covid and deaths and provided a temporary boost against infection and transmission.

Anything else was bonus territory which is why after hundreds of posts you still haven't got a point.

Some of the hopes for them didn't pan out but that is an entirely different thing from saying they didn't work as intended. They worked as intended by their developers.

By the standards of other vaccines, have the vaccines worked? Yes.

Had we known the vaccines would work as they have done would they still have been rolled out? Yes.

Had the vaccines worked less well than they have done would they still have been rolled out? Yes.

Are the vaccines unsafe versus the risks of covid? Nope.

Would we be better off without the vaccines? Nope.

So what's your point? You don't have one. Just irrelevent quibbles.

You have nothing.

So are you saying the vaccines aren't safe? (finally, on the safety thread...)

Lol and now we're again being pulled off on a tangent with claims that the vaccines don't work to distract from the failed claims that the vaccines are dangerous.

We'll come back around to danger when all the claims of ineffectiveness fail again.

Also seems like you guys all missed this study that was posted eariler:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext

Tin foil hatters never disagree or argue among themselves about which conspiracy theory has more relevance or credence. Once it's a conspiracy theory it's accepted without question.

Ok. Do you have anything to suggest that this study is fraudulent? Which parts do you believe are false?

How much did they recieve to make these false results? How did this escape peer review when you were about to deduce it?

Why would they announce this fraud where people could see it?

You've dodged my questions. You can't answer them because your accusation is false.

Thanks.

The person who has joined those dots believes that absolutely everything an octogenarian imagines will become true.