Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Fr0g

I am not concerned about their motivation or reasons for changing the definition. How many people were convinced that taking the v would stop transmission? That they were helping to eradicate the disease? Only then more than 6 months later to discover that the vaccinated were transmitting and spreading it. You were taken for fools and gaslit every step along the way. Hard to believe there are still people out there think it's some kind of modern miracle of science.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284514#Comment_119284514

Ok. You don't know then. Cool.

So why are the CDC promoting a vaccine that does nothing and is going to kill millions of people in 5 years?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284425#Comment_119284425

So they could sell mRNA to you as a traditional, familiar "vaccine", you numpty. Use your brain, fella, ffs.

You think people would of been so quick to take it had it been promoted as "mRNA gene therapy"? 😁

https://twitter.com/coenvermeeren/status/1537751313932599296?s=20&t=I0eY12wjMls3fR-x_lSnjQ

And no, don't link me to the Reuters (who share a board member with Pfizer) article claiming he was "misinterpreted", lol. Its clear as day what he meant. Watch the video and use your own noggin for once. But you won't. You'll do what you always do and accept what you're told. You've possibly got skin in the game, too, so you're even less likely to accept that you've taken mRNA gene therapy as opposed to a "vaccine" 😁

This why the likes of Ivy Lee and Edward Bernays were employed by the Rockefellers etc. To easily propagandise and influence plebs like yourself.

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284359#Comment_119284359

You’d think that sort of back tracking would be embarrassing but apparently not judging by the amount of people who say they knew from day 1 preventing covid was not the intention.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284662#Comment_119284662

So hometruths, do you agree with his claim that the vaccines aren't actually vaccines?

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284083#Comment_119284083

Your seriousness in believing that what an octogenarian imagines will come true is the hilarious. You should do a presentation. It would sell out if you bill it as comedy rather than emphasising how looney you are.

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284698#Comment_119284698

I agree with his claim that the vaccines are not currently performing the role that were intended to do.

And the confusing message surrounding this has led many people to question their understanding of vaccines and the concept of immunisation.

and I think that will have massive ramifications in future for confidence in all vaccines, vaccine fanatics aside.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284762#Comment_119284762

lol. Not the question I asked. You dodged as per usual.

Do you believe that the vaccines are actually vaccines?

Do you believe they are "gene therapy"?

Do you believe he has a good and accurate understanding of immunisation?

Your commitment to never disagreeing with your fellow conspiracy theorists is amazing...

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284200#Comment_119284200

I know it's batshit crazy isn't it. I think that was posted here before or something similar. But it was quickly buried with bamboozle and hedonistic waffle in response.

The psychological warfare on the people was straight out of dystopian novel. The fear porn was really appealing to the regular people, they lapped it up.

Fr0g

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284531#Comment_119284531

No I don't know and I don't care. It's irrelevant.

I didn't say they would kill millions. The CDC have made a lot of claims that turned out to be false. Incompetence maybe?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284134#Comment_119284134

The vaccine triggers an immune response.

A vaccine doesn't necessarily stop you getting infected. You can get infected with the flu virus, or TB, even if you've been vaccinated. It's about triggering an immune response so that you rid yourself of the virus quickly before it can trigger more severe symptoms. Depending on the virus that may lock out infections, or symptoms, or severe infections.

If you had the flu last year you can get the flu again this year, because the flu virus mutates quickly.

But if you were infected with measles last year you won't be infected with measles again this year.

Did you ever think about why that is the case?

And the vaccines against them are like that too.

Your immune system is based on quick response antibodies and longer lasting 'memory cells'. The covid vaccines trigger both, but the antibodies fade. Your can get infected in the upper respiratory tract before your antibodies can get there; or if you have no more antibodies, before the memory cells can produce them. It's like repelling an invasion bridgehead. They stop it getting to the core systems because when the immune system cavalry arrives, they know how to kill the invaders.

It's not the realm of the unknown. The stats are there for severe covid cases for vaccinated versus unvaccinated, ICU admissions, and it's undeniable that the vaccines have worked to trigger the immune response and protect the vaccinated person.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284199#Comment_119284199

I think it was clear in the context of the post I responded to why I used that figure.

But if you wan to talk about excess mortality... well, what else happened in 2020 that might have kept a lid on deaths from the pandemic and other infectious diseases?

I think you know, so don't be dishonest and pretend otherwise.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282572#Comment_119282572

Was Omicron around in 2021?

Were we supposed to let people keep dying in the hope that something like Omicron might come around at some unknown future point in time?

I don't think you understand what 'irrelevent' means.

Fr0g

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285306#Comment_119285306

You think that lockdowns worked? Show me on a graph the point at which lockdowns "flattened the curve"

So the lockdowns saved the same number of people that died of COVID giving a perfectly average number of deaths?

OR

The people that died would have died anyway from whatever illness or comorbidity they had but happened to test positive for a disease using a test that wasn't designed to be used for diagnosis.

Fr0g

I suppose we just ignore the people who died of a heart attack in the comfort and safety of their own home because they were afraid to access health care

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285380#Comment_119285380

I'm saying your post was dishonest to talk about 2020 as if there were no lockdowns in a conversation about either official deaths or deaths tracked by excess mortality.

I'm saying lockdowns & people's changes in behaviour in 2020 limited the spread of a potentially fatal infectious disease.

If you are saying people didn't die of covid, that's simple a false statement, baseless, without merit or foundation.

If you think our death toll would have been the same, you're living in cloud cuckoo land, and have constructed \ or being fooled by, some elaborate lie about covid not killing people.

Fr0g

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285267#Comment_119285267

But they don't trigger an immune response. That is why they failed to stop transmission. They give instructions for the body to produce spike proteins. 1 spike protein in particular.

This is from the CDC:

To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. Instead, mRNA vaccines use mRNA created in a laboratory to teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what helps protect us from getting sick from that germ in the future.

End quote.

They don't work like traditional vaccines.

They are a completely new technology and they haven't had the same outcome as traditional vaccines. In my view they have failed. They can't be compared to the polio vaccine for instance which did eradicate the disease. So when people use the word vaccine they are usually referring to the traditional one described here by the CDC

Ref:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Fr0g

Now ask yourself if it's your own immune system that actually does the work why wasn't natural immunity recognised?

With infection you are exposed to all the spike proteins so it stands to reason that you would get a fuller more rounded immune response.

Why was the vaccine considered to be better than infection?

Fr0g

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285436#Comment_119285436

I'm not saying that people didn't die of COVID. In fact we have the exact number of people who died of COVID over the 2 years who didn't have any other illness or comorbidity. It was 152.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285506#Comment_119285506

Thats utter rubbish

Polio is not covid

Fr0g

How many lives were saved by lockdowns? Do you have a figure?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285559#Comment_119285559

To use your language..

It stands to reason millions ,billions did not get covid pre vaccines because of lockdowns and social distancing

Ergo it stands to reason numbers dying were drastically reduced

Fr0g

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285558#Comment_119285558

What's your point I was talking about vaccine technology.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285591#Comment_119285591

You asked a question

I answered

Fr0g

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285569#Comment_119285569

What point are you making here?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285528#Comment_119285528

Do you genuinely want an answer to this question? (it involves how mutable certain proteins are, why the spike vaccine was targeted and that "natural" immunity puts you at much higher risk of severe outcomes along with much more variability in the immune response related to what viral load you are exposed to).

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285548#Comment_119285548

Another lie.

So every single one of the people say with high blood pressure who died from covid actually died from high blood pressure?

Nope.

If it could kill someone without diabetes, it can kill someone with diabetes, and it means in that can it was covid that killed them.

Just because you have diabetes or high blood pressure or a heart condition or are 80, you can die of covid. It doesn't mean you died of diabetes or high blood pressure or heart condition, but that the condition left you vulnerable to severe covid.

So it's utterly dishonest, a deliberate and wilful attempt at deception, to state what you have stated.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285595#Comment_119285595

If someone doesn't paint the white wall black,it's not going to get black by itself

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285506#Comment_119285506

"That trigger an immune response."

It's right there in the text you copied.

And then, in the second instance, non all the covid vaccines were mRNA based, such as AZ, Jansen.

You're spinning so much misinformation and disinformation, if not outright lies, you're tripping over yourself.

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285506#Comment_119285506

In my view they have failed. 

Not only your view, the EMA share that view too, given their definition of vaccine failure:

Proposed definition for Confirmed Vaccination Failure with AZD1222: The occurrence of COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 in a person who is appropriately and fully vaccinated following an incubation period of ≥ 15 days following the second dose of the vaccine

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/rmp-summary/vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-epar-risk-management-plan_en.pdf