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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    So that’s the public’s fault the health system is shite and can’t supply the beds? Is that why you’re defending Phill? Then you have Phill on the telly day in and day out whinging to the government to make people wear masks going to the toilet in a pub or restaurant. She gets her masks and when she sees it won’t make much difference she’ll be on her list for the next proposal or demand.

    Where am i minimizing anything? I’m not minimizing anything, get off the high horse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Healthcare workers are part if the public too and pay taxes like you or anyone else.

    So you get off your high horse blaming other workers for something that they can't control.

    Only government and HSE management are to blame if blame is to allocated anywhere , for a health service that has been failing to adequately serve people for r the last 20 plus years both in bed management and waiting lists.

    Phil is doing her job just as much and representing the best way she can just as teachers union reps do or patient representative bodies .

    As for mask mandates, no, I don't agree either on that , and think if you are saying that is going to happen any time soon when it didn't in March when numbers were sky high, you must be either exaggerating or a little bit hoping that will happen, so you can say " look guys , I was right " .

    You've been going on about her , INMO and mask mandates so long now,, Maybe you are praying for it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Lol you are so off the mark there. Nah I won’t, I’ll just let you carry on talking to yourself. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Looking at the UK it seems like they use guidance on masking

    Mandates are probably getting dated and may not work any longer i reckon



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Considering the above clip, can you explain to me what the point of masks are? Apart from being a symbol of compliance..

    Genuine question @Goldengirl



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Citing another unionised workforce to try and support your point probably isn't the best example - especially when those unions resulted in many kids not getting a proper education over the last few years, and if calls to some of the radio shows were any indication, not even representative of the views of many of their members.

    Trying to blame "the management" isn't an excuse either. The management are indeed complicit in being a cause of the problems, but hamstrung to an extent by the demands and conditions imposed by the unions, always under threat of "or else" - regardless of the impact on the actual patients of course!

    I've had occasion to avail of our health service a few times over the last 3 years or so. In all cases I ended up in A&E because the GP was no help. In 3 out of 4 of those cases I was sitting between 8-14 hours on a hard metal chair in a waiting room. When I finally was admitted, the staff were generally milling about by the nurses station having the craic, in no particular hurry to do anything, with no oversight that I could see, and actively resentful of being asked for updates.

    That is entirely down to the workforce. Now yes there are of course a lot of good staff as well, but the overall culture is a big part of the problem.

    I can certainly tell you that I wouldn't be employed if I performed in my role the same way, and nor would I accept similar behaviours from the team I manage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I don't follow COVID much but why is there still so much workforce disruption if the illness is now mostly mild



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Because while the legislation may have been removed, the advice is still to stay home and test/isolate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    If you tested positive and weren’t even sick you’d have to stay home. It’s not the illness itself it’s the workforce rules.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    When will the work disruption ever end if covids not going away ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    People poison themselves with bad food.

    Junk food = inflammation

    High blood pressure on its own not such a big deal, manageable. High blood pressure with inflammation = "muh immunocompromised!"

    Post edited by growleaves on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Exactly my point Kaiser .

    Phil is representing but not' representative' of every nurse and healthcare worker out there . Just as the teachers unions were representing what many of their union members were saying but not all.

    Can't fault them for doing what they are paid to do whether we do or don't agree with everything.

    I don't agree with the mask mandate being looked for but I think much of it is raising awareness that there are still pretty major impact on health services due to the higher numbers of cases , and trying to get the government to do something . Maybe they do believe it will make a difference . I am not convinced at this stage except continuing it in healthcare which is appropriate.

    We have gone from a situation where the service was recognised as being in crisis for the last few years to the old " head in the sand, nothing to see here, health service is coping " attitude from the minister and the government because they are unable to address it properly.

    I am sorry you had a bad experience , but that is a personal anecdote and does not represent fairly what is going on in the health service .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Error



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    The government has got a quick fix fix now for the winter healthcare crisis

    Impose a mask mandate for the flu/COVID every winter

    I'm not liking the look of that , I think it was varadkar said they don't use mask mandates for flu but now I'm doubting it.

    Its just too handy for them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    It doesn't but it's a good dress code to get behind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,648 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It was either this or invest in the health service



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Businesses and individuals who participated in medical discrimination towards fellow Irish citizens should be given a one way ticket to China.

    Politicians who advocated for segregation should never be forgotten.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    One industry that boomed during COVID was shoulder chip making. People really do need to let things go, especially decisions and opinions offered during a period of a heightened level of public panic. These don't matter anymore. It is now very much if we had known then...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It's comical really the unions calling for masks

    It's not like they have any medical expertise to be making these judgement calls



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    We've been saying this in the thread for over a year now. The threat Mask mandates are forever. Even if Covid disappeared, when the hospitals are inundated with winter flu patients, government can introduce mask mandates to show the media that they are "doing something".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I believe this will happen unfortunately

    It's not like anything is gonna change with hospitals and ICU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Anyhow as long as decision making is directed by the CMO there's some reassurance

    Left to policians and union leaders, they'll go with whatever way the wind is blowing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,648 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Well the general secretary of the INMO is Phil ní Seaghda a former ICU nurse so your statement isn't overly accurate

    What she lacks is the political expertise that restrictions have on votes



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    Christ I hate this attitude. "Mistakes were made, there was some over reaction, but we're back to normal now so let's just put it to bed".

    For a start we're not back to normal. We are living daily with the economic hangover of long lockdown, mass money printing. We are living under the constant threat of returning to some form of restriction this winter. Now, if we return to masks it wont affect me as I simply wont wear one and wont do business with any company which demands I do wear one (I might also sign on illness benefit with depression or try organise a strike if my work sector demands we wear them. I'm not wearing them, I would wear them if they worked so as to kill off this bastard virus, they don't work, that's the end of the matter).

    But we also live with the threat of some sort of lockdown lite this winter. Possibly restricted capacity on sports and gigs, nightclub closures, pubs on restricted opening hours. With nobody under 60, and a good cohort over 60, having any interest in taking their third and fourth jabs (I took the first two. I was lied to. Fool me once and all that) the idea of vaccine passports is not as dead and buried as it seemed in January 2022.


    What would I like?

    I'd like to see several government, media and NPHET figures prosecuted and hopefully jailed on the charge of (at the very least) using a public comms network to broadcast material that caused needless worry and distress. I'd face charges if I sat at home calling old people pretending I was a guard and telling old people their son/ daughter had been found dead- I don't see why scaring the elderly population witless on RTE with tales of impending doom and death should be any different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Actually will be interesting to see the level of compliance if there is a mandate

    As a nation we tend to be more compliant than the British for example

    I know I'll certainly be reluctant to wear one in retail and will flout the law



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    It amazes me the contempt Ireland has for Boris.


    England will never, ever go into any form of lockdown again while he is in charge. Under Weird Keir they likely would have been in lockdown after even we exited it. Throughout lockdown it was clear as day Boris was missing having a pint as much as the next man and desperately wanted pubs re opened. In this dump it was plainly obvious MM couldnt care less, while Leo just flew to England when he fancied a music festival while keeping them shut here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Whilst I agree with a lot of what you said, where is the threat of a "lockdown lite" this winter? Absolutely no evidence of this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    What I don't understand is why they're calling for masks. It's like the boy who cried wolf at this stage. They did the exact same thing earlier this year, didn't get their way, and cases, hospitalisations, etc fell off a cliff. So the evidence is there that things will improve anyway without masks. So is it purely theatre to appease some of their members? Cause the statistics have shown us that masking isn't going to alleviate the problems in the health service, the decline will come naturally



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    This one foot in one foot out nonsense regards to covid is simply not sustainable.

    Allowing a situation develop where otherwise healthy people can obtain a nice break from work on production of a positive test is going to have many critical services creaking.

    Wtf is even the point of these never ending cycles of vaccinations?



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    Where is the evidence?

    There are lunatics in positions of influence who believe we should never have fully left lockdown.

    They believe pubs, clubs, music festivals should have never re opened.

    I can see it panning out one of two ways-

    • we all get infected by these summer waves, meaning as we hit the winter we all have immunity, thus there are no winter surges
    • more likely- there isn't a real epidemic of it at the moment. This winter cases soar and the lunatics use it as an excuse to bring back mask mandates and, at the very least, shut nightclubs, restrict gig and sport capacity, 8pm pub closing.

    Tie that in with the fact nobody can be arsed getting vaxxed any more, by October/ November Leo will be on TV spoofing about how this could all end tomorrow evening if only 95% of us would get vaccinated.

    Remember- at the roll out of the vaccines, the target was 88%. We had hit circa 94% by September.

    What did Leo do?

    Gave an interview to German media stating we would be fully back to normal if only the pesky 6% of conspiracy theorists weren't holding us hostage.


    Then we somewhat fully re opened for about two weekends, then shut down again. Only the Gods delivered the beautiful natural vaccine of Omicron, that pretty much the whole population caught and delivered to reality to all but the most ardent Branch Covidians that this thing is largely harmless, we would have been in some form of lockdown up until April.

    People wonder why there are empty units on our shopping streets and our shopping centres. Who in their right mind would rent a unit now, anybody with sense will hold off to see how these incompetents handle the next two winters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Indeed. And those that don't want to wear masks every winter can be vilified and held responsible for the state's failures to provide a sufficiently capable healthcare system. And the usual useful dopes will be in full vocal support.

    Wins all round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Makes no sense to my untrained mind

    Disruption to business over a mild highly contagious virus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Could be they will have it as an advisory

    Less backlash for politicians



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    The thing is, lockdown loons are absolute cookie cutter material. Idiots without an original thought between them.

    Find me a lockdown mask shagger who isn't also:

    End direct provision

    BLM'

    Believes in the climate emergency

    Believes in removal of cars in place of cycling infrastructure

    Believes absolutely everything that comes out of Ukraine

    On Twitter with the pronouns


    You show me one, just one lockdown nutter (aside from the elderly who have been frightened into submission) who doesn't also believe in every one of the above.

    You won't. Because Branch Covidiansm is just one facet of a mind that hates logic, facts and science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Is the new chief medical officer taking up her roll tomorrow? It’s going to be interesting to see what ‘advice’ she’ll be giving the government from tomorrow. I wonder what ideas and opinions she has going around in her head, especially to build up a bit of stardom and to be noticed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It can only go one way if there's action

    You can't ease no-restrictions 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I wonder will there be a bit of 🥕 and stick with restrictions going forward

    Varadkar will probably be saying if we take the 2nd gen vaccine the restrictions will go

    Uptake is going to be a problem now with vaccination fatigue having set in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    You’d imagine with so much prevalence of Omicron around the vaccines wouldn’t be much of a priority . Nearly everyone I know has the virus at the moment including an 80 year old man who brushed it off like water off a ducks back. He said he had worse flu’s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC




  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    I believe the most likely source of Covid was it being a bio weapon brought to Wuhan by foreign, probabky American, participants at the 2019 World Military Games.

    I believe the reason for this was to


    .put in motion a chain of events that would remove Donald Trump from office. In 2019 the chances of the Democrats winning in 2020 were slim to none. An added upside would be to give the people of Britain a bloody nose for standing up for freedom re Brexit.

    • normalise systems of all but mandatory vaccination
    • A great reset of our relationship with the car, cimmuting, interpersonal relationships
    • A case study in how whole populations are led to mania, division and groupthink

    At a local level every national government, although not informed in advance of the plan, had their own motivations. Of the Irish government, I would be confident at least one individual in the cabinet, maybe a second, both of them FG members, knew what was coming well in advance, due to their connections to the Bilderberg Group and the WEF. Two men on record as their loyalty to Ireland and being Irish extending about as far as rugby matches at Landsdowne. A pair of dyed in the wool pan globalists, cookie cutters of Macron, Tredeau, Merkel, Rutte, Jacinda Ardern and every other soulless arsehole elected in the last 5 odd years.

    My guess, the plan was formulated at some point in the summer of 2019. Test amounts of early Covid variants were possibly even released in places like Barcelona and Milan, as evidenced by wastewater analysis from this period.

    Mehole, not a chance that absolute gobdaw was allowed know the plan, just how if 9/11 really was an inside job George W was the last person they were telling. Taoiseach Dougal probably still thinks it was all real to this day.

    The primary Irish government motivation was to

    • artificially inflate house prices, which by late 2019/ early 2020 had started to flatline at what were reasonably affordable rates even in Dublin
    • to break Irish society's centuries long affiliation with the pub. The intention being to destroy your "Saturday afternoon, 13 pints and premier league" venue in the villages and the suburban housing estates, places frequented by people who wouldn't vote FG FF in a fit. With the hope that by the end of the plandemic all that would remain were craft bars and other city centre tourist type venues.
    • To test how far a population brought to the brink of insanity by Europe's longest and most baffling illogical could be pushed. ESRI psychologists having a field day with the data.
    • To test stupidity. To see how many gobdaws could believe in 9 euro meals, masks when going to the jacks, thinking masks protect etc etc.
    • To punish the population for not having delivered a clear cut victory to neither FF or FG

    I frankly would find it difficult to have any respect for any non elderly person that does not believe in most of the above. Stupidity and ignorance falls outside of the term "everyone is entitled to their own opinion".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Personally, I would consider the current workplace approach to covid as a restriction on a company's ability to function and deliver their services. And in turn a restriction on those in need of such services. And it appears to be on the verge of getting even worse with talks about "long covid" being officially recognised as a workplace injury.



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    Hope to Christ Ron DeSantis gets the presidency in 2024. The man is a maverick and a realist, I wouldn't put it past him setting up a team that would look into prosecuting those who brought us to this level of insanity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.




  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    He's one of the good guys.

    I liked Trump but he went a bit mad towards the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    How do the UK compare to us with all this workplace disruption

    If I want to see what living with COVID is really like I'd look to what the Tories are doing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It's already/still advisory on public transport and busy indoor areas - they wouldn't be putting legislation back on the books if the intent wasn't to legally mandate it at some point.



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