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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Lads I got sent this pic a few minutes ago. All fakes?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,684 ✭✭✭david


    Anyone have any influence with the Tudor AD’s? Kinda fancy a BBpro on rubber. Much of a wait time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Just the way they are arranged make me think the person taking the picture thinks they are worthless. They certainly look bogey, and fakes usually look 10 years old after a year. Usually there is a story behind them too, like found in a box, of left by dead aunt sort of thing that separates the seller from having to know if they are real or not.


    The AP offshore is bogus look at the screw on the bezel, on an real one all aligned as then are not actual screws. Registers look wrong real ones are modular and the registers are set under the dial.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Fake as feck IMHO. They look too chintzy, so cheap fakes with it.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Cheers lads, they looked fake to me. Strange story though they were in the estate of my late uncle who made his money from working in and eventually taking over my grandfather's pharmacy shop from the age of 14, improving it and running it well. He then sold up to retire at age about 45 and started an antiques business as a hobby. Since posting here last night, I heard that the Panerai had a price tag still on it saying €95, I hope he didn't pay more than a fiver for it lol.

    He was a suave (gay) businessman, what the hell interested him in these fakes?

    We'll see what the antique contents of his house make at auction. I'll report back here if anyone's interested.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Thanks for that, I've posted over there now and will let folk know how it goes.

    As it stands, I've a general overview of what I might try.

    An Omega Seamaster style GMT build with a white dial, black hands and red GMT hand. Maybe a black ceramic bezel. Not pushed on a bracelet as I have plenty of straps that will do the job.

    Some of the parts I'm considering are:

    I want something other than the usual Rolex style build and I think this could make for quite a legible dial, the red hand will tie into the GMT print on the dial and the black hands will contrast well against the white dial.

    Now, all that said it would be very similar to my existing Omega GMT so I'm open to suggestions if anyone wants to chime in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul


    They do look suspect. That AP looks like it has had a hard life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭Gavin1


    Hi folks. Anyone got some EU brokers or grey dealers details that could PM me? Am looking for a Glashutte Original. Thanks.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Well outside in the normal people world 😁 a lot of said normal people just want a watch that looks nice, or the part, as an accessory kinda thing. I'd reckon a fair number of fakes and direct "homages" fall into this category.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭Roycropper63


    Just a thought. Have most of this group sold watches on ebay? Have bought ok. Is there a way of putting a minimum value on a watch in case the bids finish at a too low price. And if going to UK how do ye post etc? Low value seikos etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You can put a reserve on an ebay auction alright. They tend not to be used as much anymore though as they turn off bidders.

    What I tend to do with ebay listings is just list them with a Buy it Now price that I think is fair and then have a 'make an offer' button on the ad.

    Then sit back and see if any interesting offers come in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Just a warning

    Ebay is a minefield for sellers since the buyer can cancel any sale for any spurious reason and you'll be left with all the costs of shipping back & forth. And you can pick the 'no returns' option and write 'no returns' into your ad as much as you like, ebay will always side with the buyer and will tell you that 'free returns for any reason' us just a normal buyer expectation these days and tough sh1t. I once went into a dispute process over such a thing and actually lost the item AND the payment to the buyer. Since then never again.

    Such a returns policy may be ok if you're a professional seller flipping hundreds or thousands of low cost items. Just a percentage game then. But if you're a private seller with just one or two mid prize items with high shipping cost that nonsense can turn your sale into a disaster very easily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭Roycropper63


    Many thanks for replies. Adverts is also a right pain. Back to drawer they go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭Roycropper63


    2 of my last 3 attempts on adverts to buy sellers would not accept PayPal at first. One lad relented but 2nd wouldn't. And a third Lad insisted on collection from Dublin. Not everyone lives in or even visits Dublin. Apologies rant over!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior



    Lads, just arrived back in Ireland over the weekend so threw this up this evening. Any thoughts or tips for the ad?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭dakar


    I’d go with a photo of the dial as the first photo, the box etc is important but doesn’t catch the eye. I’d also try for a sharper main photo of the dial, the one you have is quite soft and doesn’t show the watch at its best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul


    Here's an interesting suggestion for anyone who is in foreign climes, and worried about their wrist furniture...

    Italian tourism boss suggests stopping watch theft with cheap alternative

    A tourism chief in Naples has come up with a unique solution for any visitors worried about theft in the southern Italian city, after reports the French actor Daniel Auteuil recently had his luxury watch stolen in the area.

    Cesare Foa, the president of the tour operators' association Aidit, says hotels could provide guests who wear expensive watches with cheap plastic alternatives to ensure that their actual timepieces can stay safe while they head out and explore the city.

    Italian news agency ANSA reported last week that Auteuil had a €39,000 Patek Philippe watch stolen from his wrist by two people riding scooters while he was traveling in a taxi with the window open.

    Via CNN International.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    The photos I took are super sharp but adverts softened them unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    LOL! You couldn't make it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭dakar


    I wonder what size adverts posts at? They’ve obviously compressed the crap out of them. Might be worth resizing the images to 1500 or 2000 pixels before uploading. DM me if you need a hand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Has anyone sent a watch Up to pride and pinion via DHL? They sent me a label and it’s being collected tomorrow but are there customs formalities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭micks_address




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    @Cyrus - are you sure insurance is covered? Depends on the value of the watch of course, but I'd be inclined to fly up the M1 and deliver it myself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Yeah I've sent 3 there way at this stage. Zero customs and Madeline in their office was always quick to answer any of my packing and shipping queries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Ian OB


    Hope these photos came out okay, some industry thoughts on watch hype in GMT magazine





  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Ian OB


    Its a fascinating read



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭893bet


    If dealing Gavin prepare to be astounded by incompetent to answer an email.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'm seeing a lot of pieces of late with the sniff of industry and dealers behind them pushing the never gonna end/investment angle on the market to the general public. Hodinkee has had a few including one the other day from auctioneers saying things might be affected by world economies but also Things Have Never Been So Good. What was interesting were the comments below ripping the piss out of them for it. Something you wouldn't have seen even 12 months ago, and/or would have been cut before it hit the page. Their page hits are way down too.

    However sales are very much down save for some pieces and even there most have softened even over the last few months. The market is stagnating, with dealers and flippers holding out for prices that they won't see, and the dealer/flipper to dealer/flipper sales are way down too. The vintage end of things is a limping dodo with sales way down. If you have a Military Watch Forum account go into their PX and look at the lack of new stuff and the list of stuff not shifting at prices way down on even a year ago. Go back in a months time and you'll see endless bumping of many if not most of the same sales and the mil watch stuff has been a solid seller and "investment" for donkey's years. The sales section on WUS is similar.

    It's long been my general take that when the Dogs On The Street reckon(tm) [Thing A] "is an investment y'know", that's the time to pull out of [Thing A]. I've a friend of mine that I could hire out to investment firms as a canary in the coalmine. 😁 Basically he always hears about and then buys into stuff just before it goes bang, or devalues. Among other things going way back he bought a house six months before the crash, mentioned he was getting into crypto late last year and asked me about watches at Christmas...

    Secondly when things are actually good dealers and the industry don't feel the need to advertise nearly so much that things are good. An elderly chap I know is a printer, kinda retired but still keeps his hand in. Real "mom and pop" family operation as the Yanks might say. Very interesting man to chew the fat with. He's seen ups and downs in his long life and back just before the Celtic Tiger went wallop he mentioned in passing that things weren't looking so rosey. I asked him why and he told me he had noticed a major uptick of those in the building industry and other boom businesses looking to print up advertising. As he said mid boom they rarely darkened his door, because they didn't have to and he'd seen that before in the 60's, 70's and 80's as a trend in different businesses or the wider economy, just before a correction kicked off.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul




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  • Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭UhOh


    Put my name down for two Rolex models with an AD at the weekend. Being told 2-3 year wait. For anyone who’s bought with an AD in recent times is this a realistic time scale? I have purchase history with the AD, but not with Rolex.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    What purchase history do you have?

    What Rolex watches do you want to buy?



  • Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭UhOh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭micks_address


    hard to know.. it feels like watches may become more available this year/next.. ive my name down since last year for a GMT in weirs.. not holding my breath. Spoke to salesperson in Lunns a few months ago and he reckoned he was seeing a fair few cancellations on their wait list and there should be more available..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Unless you've spent a good few tens of thousands on high margin stuff like jewelery / undesirable watches, you can forget about it. Waiting lists don't really exist. If you want a Rolex steel sports, go buy one from a reputable second hand dealer. Or you will be waiting forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    Is that what you have previously bought or is that what youve asked to buy ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭UhOh


    No, that’s what I want to buy

    @unkel - I’m prepared to wait to try & get one at list price. I’d rather go without then pay the prices grey market dealers want. Salesperson I was with did seem optimistic, just that there will be quite a bit of time to wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    So what's your history with the AD? Unless you have spent a small fortune, you can forget about ever getting a submariner from them. It ain't gonna happen. Do you not think we've all tried that? 😂 It's basically a gift worth several grand, they're not just going to give that to you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭UhOh


    My purchase history isn’t really any of your business unkel, just to know that I do have one with them. We’ll check back in 2-3 years & see who was right :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Fair enough you don't want to tell us about your purchase history, but it is essential in whether or not you will get your Rolex. With an insignificant history, you are extremely unlikely to get it. With a significant history, you have a good chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    You asked a question that Unkle is trying to answer for you. No need for a smart arse “none of your business “ response . Purchase history is how it works and for what it’s worth if you were told 2-3 years , you haven’t even got on the list



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  • Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭UhOh


    My intention wasn’t to come across as a ‘smart arse’, no offence but I don’t intend to share how much I’ve spent on watches, jewellery etc. on a public forum, nor should I be expected to. I provided enough information about it in my original post. It’s absolutely none of anyones business but mine, and I’d expect to be told the same if I kept pushing it.

    Post edited by UhOh on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭micks_address


    curious what constitutes a significant history? also interesting to see what what happen if things are slowing down a bit how it will affect supply



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭njburke


    Paul Thorpe had a video recently where he stated that ADs had been informed by Rolex that they were to sell no more than three Rolexs a year to individuals. Something about Rolex seeing the same names appear in registrations time after time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭893bet


    How much you have spent and what on is pretty pertinent information to answering your question. It’s not the only factor and luck can play a part bit for any gmt by selling to you they are gifting you 5k or so minimum. So a couple of k worth of previous purchases ain’t going to cut mustard. I think a regular spend over a year or two totalling 30k plus might get you noticed at least.


    The fact you asked the question makes me think you bought your wedding rings there 4 years ago for and also some other small stuff. Total 5k or less. Sadly unless you get very lucky no chance.


    Tide is turning slowly but market is basically on pause at moment.


    Of course the sales man is hopeful. He will get you buy some other tat to string you along if he can while you wait. Expect a call asking if you want to look at some Tudor or omega that are “hard to get” and “just came in”.


    Aslong as dealers “buy prices” (ignore sell prices” are above retail then then things will be hard to get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭893bet


    Unmanageable. ADs are in on the scam. So are Rolex. They are delighted all the undesirable watches are moving at the same time.


    The above are snips of bull **** policy to try keep people interested…….give them hope…..and keep the game going as long as possible.


    Can’t use my name three times? Ok let’s use my wife (her maiden name even), my son, my dog, two of my cows, my father etc.

    Boom I own 21 Rolex and Rolex know “nothing”.



  • Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭UhOh


    Not the most welcoming of sub forums you boys have here. I’ll see myself out….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭893bet


    You are being touchy, but I guess the same accusation could be levelled at us. Asking your spend history is very common question. Usually you don’t give specifics e.g you could say “low 5 figures on non hype watches and jewellery”.

    Stick around and show off the collection. We are not a bad bunch. Couple of cliques here and there but many here are friendly off the forum so that happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    No offence but the lads are trying to explain how things are, it’s not their fault it’s just the way things are at the moment, we are all on ‘lists’ the reality is the list does t exist unless you are spending 10s of thousands on other stuff , why, because if they sell you a sub or a gmt at rrp they are handing you 3-5k the Seine they sell it, so they will go to someone who is buying their other less desirable items.

    maybe you are in that boat, if so great, but it’s unlikely given you have been told 2-3 years.

    this is about as friendly a corner of boards as you’ll find.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭njburke


    It's not like Rolex haven't been aware for years that the same names are doing the registrations, PT claims Rolex are irked by it now. As for Rolex shifting undesirable models, they have always controlled means of production, so don't make so many.

    Maybe it's some topsy turvy world where a manufacture increases demand for a less desirable model by throttling the supply of an in demand model. Do they get some perverse satisfaction out of saddling the customer with some watch they didn't really want?

    That said, I would like a no date sub, preferably at retail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭893bet


    It’s all lip service I think. Same as the “taking the stickers off” to prevent flipping, keeping warranty card etc. The move away from wait list to “expression of interest” is the same thing. They sell to who and when they choose. There is no “fair”. It’s business.

    Rolex are delighted with how it is. Steel sports make a small part of the market. Date just prob outsell 4/1. Ladies date just are selling at retail instead of a discount. Use steel to reward those that buy other stuff. Don’t be fooled by the rhetoric about “Rolex are not happy with ADs”.



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