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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    What gets me is all the whinging the nurses do about the 12 hour shifts, how exhausted they are etc. There would be holy murder if they were asked to do 5*7 hour shifts. 3 long days suits them down to the ground. Many do lucrative agency work on their days off and it also suits from a childcare perspective. I believe these 12 hour shifts are illegal in Australia, they’re certainly not in the patients’ interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I found it very disorienting the way unvaccinated people kept getting barred from more and more things. It looked like it was going to go on for a long time.

    But at least in Ireland no one(?) was forced from their job.

    A guy I work with calls unvaccinated people "anti-vaxxer fascists".

    I think its even more unfair that they banned Russian pianists from the Dublin Piano Competition. The "crime" of having been born in St. Petersburg is even more blameless than declining to take a medicine you don't want to take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    It may well be,however it does read like a HSE Press Release,with all of the quoted sources,now being well defined as on the Covid.inc side of the discussion.

    There is verly little hope of a 4/10/15 year rewriting of the Covid programme responses as being anything other than Super,Fantastic and so wonderfully demonstrative of our native concern for our brothers & sisters in covid.

    This is largely following the W.H.O,HSE and Western Government proclaimations on how to progress "Mass events",with the W.H.O's new Supertreaty simmering away on the side burner.

    Covid-19 of itself,remains of little consequence to the vast majority of reasonable healthy individuals,with my ongoing faith being in my natural immunity to stuff.

    Sadly,what we now have is a hugely divided populace,Worldwide,as normally fearful,non self-confident types have been relentlessly targeted by vast multi-national agencies and,it has to be said,bought-off educational and professional bodies targetting this fear resevoir and using it for ever more restrictive rules and behavioural guidelines.

    Unfortunately it's not over yet,by a long shot.

    The recent scenes at Airports Worldwide,reminded the various advising professionals that actual "ordinary people" don't,as yet,have much regard for the rareified world views of these professional "elites" who managed to collectively change the entire Western World's political & social direction for the past 2 years.

    The sudden arrival of millions of "ordinaries" back at Airport Departure Gates,was simply not meant to happen...it was off script,even admitted as such by our own Dalton Phillips of the DAA as the "Modelling" totally failed to take account of the HUMAN factors so ordinarily beloved of the Avation Sector.

    However,those "Ordinaries" were only assessing and deciding their actions based upon what they had actually witnessed during Covid,as in groups of Politicians and Senior Administrators/Advisers Worldwide totally ignoring the various severe restrictions being recommended to their minions.

    Why were these groups ignoring the rules ?

    Was it ignorance,or was it the Knowledge of the entire performance being just that....a mass experiment in Control and Direction of peoples,and their levels of response ?

    That Question remains to be put,let alone answered.

    One thing is certain,that Governing agencies have decided to double-down on the popularity of freely available,affordable mass travel for ANY reason by making it as difficult and uncomfortable as it can be made (except for those availing of private aviation services ).

    Human nature has the ability to get Humanity back on the rails,even in the face of protracted doom mongering and "End of Days" messaging,as displayed during Glastonbury's surprise appearance by Ms Thunberg.

    Reclaim our normality. 😲


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'd imagine like any working shift patern it suits some and doesn't suit others. Also from a HSE point of view I don't think it makes much of a difference if the working week is divided into 14*12 hour shifts or 21*8 hour long shifts

    The unvaccinated in this country were only barred from indoor-hospitality-that-wasn't-also-your-accommodation-for-the-night and a few select sporting events, on an international scale that was a fairly mild restriction, and as you say nobody lost their job for not being vaccinated, even if they worked in the aforementioned indoor hospitality settings. The logic behind it was that it was unsafe to be in a hospitality setting and not vaccinated, which agree or disagree with made more sense than some of the other crap we've endured over the last 2 years



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Allowing one's freedom to be reduced to a QR Code is never (in any way, shape, or form) acceptable.

    QR codes are for products, not people.

    Cattle lining up to have their tags scanned for a pint. Embarrassing stuff 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I never said, nor would I make the argument, that it was acceptable. We had much worse restrictions than that over the 2 years though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    WTF! Here we go again!!


    The Cabinet will sign off on new legislation which will allow the Government to make mask wearing mandatory in certain settings.

    The move is being described as precautionary and no settings have been earmarked for the return of legally required face coverings.

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    .

    .

    But a senior Government sources said there is “no public health rationale” for masks to return and said they do not envisage the legislation being enacted any time soon.


    “This is purely precautionary and lets people know we are still monitoring the situation and ready to take action,” the source said.

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/cabinet-to-sign-off-on-new-laws-to-allow-the-government-make-mask-wearing-mandatory-in-certain-settings-41797730.html


    Un-fooking-believable!! 🤬🤬



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    No longer emergency legislation either by the looks of it. Just something they want on the books so they can mandate masks on a whim now. Great news for the unions who will be demanding masks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Ha ha, they've come to take your freedumbs again, time to get the ffP2 out again baby



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Ah ffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I'd bet the teacher unions will be out in force looking for masks in schools before they return in September.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Ha brilliant from the government

    Precautionary lol

    You don't introduce legislation before it's need just in case

    Of course they have identified the settings that it would likely be used in

    Seeing as there is “no public health rationale” for masks to return why even bother introducing doubt?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    I can tell them what to do with their masks..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Oh it's obviously bull. This is a setup for the return to schools as said above, and to appease the worriers as the evenings get longer and colder.

    They can absolutely fook off with this one. With all the other crap that's happening at the moment, they want to start the whole mask arguments again!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Unless they are just covering themselves before dail break, so they don't have to come back, but what you said makes sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Actually.. it's probably also a useful tool to mandate fuel rationing by stealth in the autumn/winter.

    Stay home for "health reasons" so the petrol pumps don't run dry (and cause a panic/more unrest) and the utility companies can bleed people dry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    It's not even drafted. This won't be before the Dail for months.

    Tbh I can see their rationale behind it (not that I agree with it, if you want to wear a mask wear one, if you don't grand, I don't care either way), it's more so if public health ever turn around and say yeah look you need to mandate masks in x,y & z then if as things stand it'd take government ages to get the bill drafted etc because there's nothing there now. Whereas whenever this goes through the Dail and lets say for example come November public health advice coming from whoever the CMO is then says you need to mandate in x,y&z then government aren't having to start from scratch and have this available.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    maybe ...

    there was no real clamour for this legislation though so it's all the governments own doing

    creating an issue that wasn't there

    there is “no public health rationale” for masks to return end of story

    when that advice changes we'll reconsider



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    I get your point of view, but if the advice changes in say December for example they'd literally be able to do nothing as it stands & you'd have this pissing around for weeks on end while legislation gets drawn up etc.

    They're allowing themselves to have something there if the advice changes.

    Mountain out of a mole hill here by everyone (media & government included). It's literally arse pocket legislation if the winter goes tits up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    'Time to get out masks again' - WHO envoy

    The WHO's special envoy on Covid-19 has said that "it's time to get the masks out again".

    Speaking to RT's Today with Claire Byrne, Dr David Nabarro said: "I would like everybody to be carrying some nice, good masks, clean masks in a little pouch in their briefcase, in their handbag or in their inside pocket."

    😆😆😆😆

    I personally couldn’t give a toss about masks but if they are brought back in what will the next restriction be on the table?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,887 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Is anybody even listening to this kind of advice anymore? From everyday experience and observation, I would say very very few.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Correct. I was on the Ulysses over the weekend to Wales and I didn’t see one person on the vessel with a mask.



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    They aren't even doing Covid tests pre admission now. When I had my surgery a month ago the bit at the top about having a covid test was scribbled over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Claire Byrne, WHO, Dr Nabaro, RTE and masks themselves… all these are a useless fear inducing waste of time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    That's a bit of a stretch and a really nasty thing to say. I'm a person with a compromised immune system and I don't expect people to mask up around me. I had COVID, it was no big deal. A cough, which was probably worse because I'd had a tube down my throat during a planned surgery and everything smelled like cheap brown sauce for a few days. Yes, some people are very vulnerable to it but we have to get the hell on with life.

    Lots of things can cause miscarriage. A pregnant woman could eat food that's been prepared on a surface where raw meat has been and miscarry because of the bacteria that was on that surface. You or anyone else wearing a mask won't prevent a miscarriage. I think people need to move past this idea that masks somehow make them wonderfully virtuous and save lives, they don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    My comment had nothing to do with masks, it was targeted at somebody bragging about not even taking a quick antigen test, which I think is still available for free from the HSE if you fill out an online form that you think you have it, despite being a suspected COVID case

    With regards to today's mask legislation, I'm not immediately worried, if it stopped at mask wearing while in certain settings would even be ok but I do fear that it may be a preface to more severe restrictions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    You should have realised what hole you were in when "on Claire Byrne" is referenced. Also inclined to view this as much ado nowt but given the psychological hangover of COVID anything that could be construed to be a return really sets people off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The reason I did post it because I thought it was amusing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Absolute and Total Bunkum from what has become a cast of the "Usual Suspects".

    What is missing from that quote is Mr Nabarro's reasoning behind his "Nice,clean Mask" bullshytt.

    He said that there are two situations when a person should decide to slip a mask on.

    Firstly, if a person begins to feel unwell and they cannot get home quickly to isolate and take a test, they should at least put a mask on to prevent the spread of illness to others.

    Secondly, if a person finds themselves in a crowded environment without good ventilation, they should put on a mask.

    This from a so-called Health Professional ?

    Get yourself a life and a proper Job Mr Nab,and desist from playing the out-of-tune fiddle for the fragrant Claire,even if it will do your standing with Tedros some good.

    It is now very obvious that the FEAR machine is being wound up yet again,perhaps to divert attention from other more interesting developments such as Paul Reid's sudden desire to spend more time with his family 😉

    ( I wounder what Paul's pension arrangements will be upon departure ?)

    If Claire Byrne was even a half decent journalist she would be setting the agenda herself,and asking the questions that are on many peoples lips,since the reality of misinformation and deception by Governments & assorted Covid "Stakeholders" started to filter into mainstream media.

    Constantly using her programme to peddle quackery and pseudo-scientists debatable opinions is way beyond what her audience needs,but hey, it's what they'll get !!


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    Yeah, we've all heard all of this before, Only a precaution, probably won't happen. 2 weeks to flatten the curve. It's bullshit, if they weren't planning on doing it they wouldn't be drafting legislation. I hope this time people push back and say enough. It was a total overreaction to a virus that was not life threatening to most people. This time around there's no pandemic payment there, it's been spent housing and providing for people who come from a country with a very low vaccine take up. MM was warned not to touch that money, but virtue signalling and a pat on the head from his masters in Brussels took precedent.

    Employers see it as just another illness. People with COVID go to work as normal because they aren't ill enough to justify staying at home and many can't afford to live on the Social Welfare illness payment for the days they miss at work.

    I'm sure Claire Byrne is knicker wettingly excited by it all. She's got nothing to say that's of any real interest to most people but her going back to full on COVID hysteria will bring in all the nervous Nellies who spent their days curtain twitching on their neighbours during restrictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Unvaccinated were also barred from places like gyms, cinemas and hairdressers/barbers. Some people have very short memories. Nobody lost their jobs alright, but they were made to feel like lepers, who were too unclean to share spaces with the vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That was an excessive aberration to encourage vaccination, which should be forgotten unless you are into the grudge nursing business. Like people do their day spas, purging these pointless COVID memories should also be part of your daily programme.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    I'm sure plenty of the clappy seals and businesses who agreed with and cheered on these measures at the time would like us all to forget how they prostrated themselves at the altar of Saint Tony aright. I won't be forgetting anyway, cheers for your concern though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    There is currently a 1 year delay in breast cancer screening directly due to Covid, 1 year can be the difference between a stage 1 and stage 4 diagnosis. we’re going to be seeing the true cost in lives in the next few years to the insanity that gripped us. But I’m sure drafting legislation on masks is a much more useful use of government time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The government are not responsible for the screening programme and it was a public health emergency. Producing draft legislation, which we may or may not need, is still good planning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    The government is responsible for the delays which came about as a direct result of the ‘rules’ on social distancing. This is the reason given on the website of breast check- social distancing… now that was worth dying for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well, the government took its advice from the medical people so they were not exactly making that call. Lots of medical stuff was cancelled or postponed. It was the competing needs of Breast Check and other programmes and the need to protect the population at large.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    No, I think that is clear. As it should've been from just after lockdown one in June 2020, people are fully aware this is just a bad cold for the vast majority of the population with or without vaccines and that it is only the very old and vulnerable that need to be concerned.

    I feel COVID chats in real life don't happen anymore and I don't see much appetite from anyone to reengage with any restrictions. This legislation was probably to appease the twitchers at the INMO and other cranks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's probably sensible legislation, looks similar to the "Plan B" legislation they have in Westminster. If used properly it is not a bad idea

    I'd be surprised if they ever implemented it given the way the numbers are going and the way numbers are likely to go in the future. Of course I was surprised with the 8pm closure of pubs we had last Christmas so maybe my opinion is not the best example



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    More talk of masks been reintroduced by our Government in the coming months. Was offered a 5th shot, 2nd booster. No thanks not anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,590 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    If they get the masks back in, the nutters will want something else.

    Best not to entertain covid nut jobs.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Was at green day the other night in Marley Park and still nut jobs wearing masks. Pulling them down to drink a pint or eating food.

    Still lots of Mrs Doyle loving the misery types around my town wearing them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Why is this thread so active? Isn't it the case that all legally-enforceable restrictions have been relaxed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Unfortunately the threat is there for their return .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,887 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    yeah and going into Winter, its love for 12 Pubs will return but promises if they close by 8pm for a few weeks it'll be grand



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Yeah but weren’t you the guy that was of the opinion that there were no restrictions as long as you just didn’t do any of the things that were restricted? Something like that? Of course you’ll deny that…..



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