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    #182
    youngblood
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    Are the really gonna gamble and hope real life issues wont wipe out a multimillion dollar project?

    Surely there has to be a back up plan to salvage possible entire disaster? Millions are spent marketing a movie like this, not a penny will be spent promoting this movie if any of the above proves to be true



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    #183
    CastorTroy
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    To be honest, I think it would still do well. There are plenty of people who will never read this news or just glance at the name, not recognise it and forget the story existed. Then there are people who would go see it anyway.

    I'll be honest and say I plan on seeing the film and as long his deal doesn't involve a share of profits like Scarlett with Black Widow, then he doesn't profit from people going to see it. And at this rate, I'd be surprised if he did get anything even if his contract said he would since I believe most contracts involve a morality clause.

    I'm sure this film is setting up the DCU going forward, so they need to release it and while they may struggle to replace him in what's been filmed, they could find a storyline reason to recast or change the character to Wally or someone and either reshoot later scenes to reduce Ezra's screentime or add a scene at the end that replaces him going forward.



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    #184
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119194234#Comment_119194234

    I suppose it depends how credible the grooming allegations are, and how much they hit the mainstream news. If this thing takes off, the movie's doomed, and Miller's career is toast.

    This film seems to be cursed from the outset. Took years to get going, went through a bunch of directors and just when it finally happens ... the main star turns out to be a trashfire.



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    #185
    CastorTroy
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    Yeah once mainstream news starts referring to him as "The star of the upcoming movie The Flash..." people will pay attention.



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    #186
    Agent Coulson
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    He done now


    A mother and her 12 year old has been granted a temporary restraining order by the courts on Erza Miller.


    This is not connected to the other grooming case.



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    #187
    pixelburp
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    Jaysus; a restraining order in relation to what alleged offence? More grooming or something else?

    To by a fly on the wall at DC's head office.



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    #188
    Agent Coulson
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    I'm in work so cant link the report it’s in the daily beast and starting to break in a few other places now.

    Post edited by Agent Coulson on


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    #189
    OU812
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    At this point, it'd be a lower cost for them to delay this movie a year & pump $20m into digitally replacing him, (hopefully also digitally replace him in JL also). It's going to lose an absolute fortune.

    They've digitally replaced actors before quite successfully, there's no reason it can't be done.



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    #190
    johnny_ultimate
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211821#Comment_119211821

    They've never digitally replaced a lead actor, who is presumably in a majority or vast majority of the scenes in the film. Any other cases of digital replacement have been on a much smaller scale, and rarely (if ever) successfully. I don't know of any cases of a lead actor being fired or replaced post principal photography.

    They either basically reshoot the film, dump it entirely or just release it at is. None of those are easy or cheap options.



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    #191
    FunLover18
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    The only example I can think that would come close is Tig Notaro in Army of the Dead but that's a much smaller role.



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    #192
    OU812
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    Combination of reshoots & digital replacement would work. It's either that or sit by & watch their investment burn



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    #193
    pixelburp
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    If they still wanna make that 2023 date they'd have to recast right now. What's Great Gustin up to?



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    #194
    pjohnson
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    Between Miller and Heard 2023 is looking like it could tank the DCEU.



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    #195
    ~Rebel~
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    Jeysus... even beyond the flash stuff, you'd hope any family/friends close to Miller would get them to maybe go in for a bit of counselling or help or something. At this stage it sounds like they're in a pretty erratic place, which will do no favours for their career, and just their life...

    From all the various reports, it seems like they're very quick to anger, and have weapons to hand, which could be a recipe for total disaster if someone they trust doesn't get to talk a bit of sense to them.

    As an aside, it seems a bit odd that this person is only filing for a restraining order now, when the event happened over 4 months ago, and Miller is by all accounts some 5000 miles away...



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    #196
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212681#Comment_119212681
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211966#Comment_119211966

    I was just thinking maybe the best path is to quietly relegate it to HBO Max: as a cinematic prospect it's probably dead in the water, but with streaming all is never completely lost; if WB dump it onto their streaming service it can at least exist as something to entice subs.



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    #197
    Agent Coulson
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    When it comes to the film itself I really feel for Michael Keaton after all those years he returns as Batman it should have been a moment for him and fans 30 years in the making and now it's ruined.



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    #198
    FunLover18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212897#Comment_119212897

    He's gonna be ok the Batgirl film too, isn't he?



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    #199
    youngblood
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    I really think it's looking more likely that they'll just shelf this entire movie and maybe try and retcon any salvageable scenes in future DCEU

    films. Although at this rate, what's viable? Left?

    This vid came back to me as I thought of possibilities going forward,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK2xBqk8w4I&ab_channel=BeyondTheTrailer

    dunno what went down that it never happened but was an interesting idea



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    #200
    Lithium93_
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212154#Comment_119212154

    I think he's only just recently wrapped up The Flash's 8th season, and is coming back for a presumed 9th.



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    #201
    EltonJohn69
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    Mark Wallberg confirmed to replace flash. Reshoots beginning next month.



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    #202
    CastorTroy
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    Would have to be Tom Holland.



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    #203
    Sad Professor
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    Shocking example of career suicide. They could do reshoots to increase Keaton's role (the main reason most viewers are interested in this anyway) and make Batman the focus of the marketing while reducing Miller's role to a minimum.



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    #204
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119214710#Comment_119214710

    Problem with that is, AFAIK, the whole story centres around The Flash messing with the timeline. I believe it's a tweak of the Flashpoint story from the comics, where Flash tries to go back in time to prevent his mum's murder. So the whole emotional pivot of the story/film hangs around Barry Allen's actions. It'll be very hard to reduce that to a minimum without it being a total mess.

    Either WB release the thing as is, and hope Miller's increasingly public problems don't damage it too much (and with that, there's the option of HBO Max and a rejig of projections), or they recast and reshoot. Made more difficult by the fact that in the trailer, we see TWO Barry Allens! That work alone would explode the budget and make it a loss-maker, no matter what they do IMO.



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    #205
    The White Wolf
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119213597#Comment_119213597

    I can see it working.

    Batman: You've destroyed the multiverse Flash!

    Flash: Well whoop de **** do

    /The end



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    #206
    Sad Professor
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119214807#Comment_119214807

    The two Barry Allens might be an opportunity for them to recast though. Is the other Barry Allen from another universe like Keaton's Batman? If so who is to say he looks like Ezra Miller... as you said it would still be very expensive and messy, but expensive and messy seems to be par for the course with the DCEU.

    If that's not option I guess they can just dump it on one of the streaming platform as you suggested above. I think there's audience for the return of Keaton's Batman regardless of Miller.



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    #207
    The White Wolf
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215315#Comment_119215315

    I think the two Barrys is the actual killer here as it just makes any other route so much harder to take.

    Best case scenario is they cut it to 90 mins and put it on HBO MAX, while using some Tig Nataro type chicanery in Snyder's zombie film to maybe get away with some digital replacements. Sasha Calle and Keaton are the leads, with a new actor being shown in edits that won't include all 3. It would still be a mess but the least of all options. There is no good option at this point.



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    #208
    Penn
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    I'd say considering it's a Flash film, pretty much all scenes revolve around Flash to a significant enough degree that trying to do anything with it would just be impossible. The movie is centered on his character, his character's actions, the main villian is probably connected to Flash. There are likely very few scenes where he isn't there or part of the conversation. Reshooting with another actor will either be really crappy CGI and green screen, or they literally reshoot most of the movie with the other actors too. People mention Tig Notaro, but she was a fairly background supporting character, and Snyder's filmstyle for that film meant a lot of things were purposefully very out of focus or soft focus. Trying to replace Miller with someone else (especially given that Miller is playing two versions of the character) would be insane.

    I think they might just release it on streaming and not have any promotional tour or anything. Just release it, accept it as less of a loss considering how much reshoots, CGI etc would cost to do anything else (and if anything, they could save a bit of money from marketing/promotional costs), and move on. They're already multiversing, just recast Flash for any future stuff going forward.



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    #209
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215558#Comment_119215558

    I don't think it was confirmed but if the film's following the comics then the villain would be The Reverse Flash, given IIRC he was the one who offed Barry's mum.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215315#Comment_119215315

    Mind you, in all this chatter we're assuming the studio wants to do a good job; it's not entirely beyond consideration they recast Barry Allen, do a very hasty green screen replacement of anything with Ezra Miller, and in 12 months we'll be guffawing at the awful hack job. Cue a #releasethemillercut on social media 🤡



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    #210
    The White Wolf
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    Just to say as well poor Andy Muschietti, what a disaster for him as he clearly showed enough passion to finally get this off the ground. Looks like his hard work will be for nowt.



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    #211
    Penn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215623#Comment_119215623

    Yeah I can't remember hearing who the villian is so I just assumed it would likely be Reverse Flash, or that RF is somehow involved or set up for a future appearance.



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