The Flash

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120242162#Comment_120242162

As I said the Iceland incident may have blown over but the powers that be would have a lot more about it than we did.

Iron Eyes went to England with Miller at the age of 12 and was on the set of Fantastic Beasts. People would have asked who she was, why she was there, etc. Again the powers that be would have known more than the public.

It is baffling how her parents allowed her to go or maybe how she was able to go without their knowledge - and why on Earth it took so long for them to take legal action.

I also said above that most of the problems occurred after filming was complete and that I didn’t understand the sense of people thinking they could just recast Miller. So I don’t know why this being brought up again.

I never suggested recasting him afterward was an option - I questioned the wisdom of not parting ways with him before hand. The assault and the Native American girl would have been things certain people knew the details of regardless of what the the public knew.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120242222#Comment_120242222

On the iceland thing - the woman only spoke out for the first time in 2022, so I don't know what you expect the studio to have known extra about it, beyond getting Ezra's take - who presumably said it was no big deal.

The Iron Eyes thing can be viewed negatively through the lens of hindsight - but if you look at it another way, Ezra flew a 14 year old Harry Potter fan who he'd known for 2 years after protesting with them and their parents at Standing Rock, out to the set of a Harry Potter movie. In the context of the time it just sounds like a nice thing to do for someone who was going through a lot of difficult gender identity issues that the actor could relate to. They came, visited set, and went home. The parents knew about and consented to all of this at the time. There was no suggestion anything negative happened on this trip. Given the lack of problem anyone had with it at the time, I'm not sure why we would expect a studio to sack their lead at that stage. The questionable part was a few years later when, at 17, Tokata dropped out of university and stayed with Ezra, which happened at the end of production. It was only then that the parents came out with legal action and retrospective concerns about their contact before.

So all in all, I can't blame WB too much for not knowing what was to come when Ezra went totally off the rails in 2022, by which time they were trapped.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120242302#Comment_120242302

Studio, producers, casting etc. would have known a lot. You can’t seriously believe that they would not know or that they would would believe a guy’s “no big deal”.

As I said though it had blown over, but they knew a lot more than the public.

Iron Eyes is nothing to do with hindsight. Not everyone would look at it and think “isn’t that nice that he brought the girl thousands of miles to see the Potter set”. Some would think “isn’t it weird that she is here without a parent…” etc.

As to that last paragraph - I said pretty much the same thing several times. I don’t j is why you are repeating it back to me - it seems like you still think I agree with the opinion of recasting AFTER filming is complete - which I also said several times that I do not.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120242354#Comment_120242354

Why would a studio, producers, and casting agents have such great insight into an incident outside a pub in Iceland in which no complaint was made, and no charges were filed, and the person on the other side of the incident did not speak about it in any capacity until several years later? The reports at the time suggested that some fans got a bit pushy and obnoxious with Miller, and Ezra reacted badly with a brief flashpoint (pun unintended), and that was it. Not the rarest story amongst celebrities. Given the lack of any fallout of any kind, it's understandable that that was that.

On the Iron Eyes thing, there is no suggestion anything negative happened on that trip to visit the Potter set, and it wasn't Tokata alone - according to the parent's filed report, Ezra flew Tokata, a female chaperone, and her friend's family over all together. Even if someone does think that's a bit weird instead of a nice act, it just doesn't look like grounds to sack a person who is already established as a character from a multi-million dollar contract.

As for your last bit... I wrote a simple little summation of my own interpretation of the situation, and said nothing about you thinking they should recast after production (or indeed anything about you at all). Relax.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120241783#Comment_120241783

You said

I cannot understand why in the world they didn’t just cut him loose and cast a new actor.

So was responding to this, about recasting in general, at any stage. Justice League was also undergoing a shed load of reshoots - famously so with Joss Whedon basically retooling the entire film when Synder had to step away. But nobody was recast, presumably cos again, that would have cost more time and money.

Why they didn't recast after that? We can only speculate but Presumably cos the studio didn't reckon the controversies were big enough, or Ezra Miller famous enough, to be worth the hassle. 🤷 We know Hollywood only finds its morality when it suits it. And by all accounts Miller's sundry offences don't appear to have broken into mainstream media outside Film-centric circles.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120242364#Comment_120242364

Relax about what? Who is upset?

There was a video doing the rounds. You think the studios, producers, etc. didn’t know about it? That seems unlikely.

Well, he wasn’t doing it out of the goodness of his heart was he.

We are both just repeating the same thing over and over.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120242418#Comment_120242418

No there was more to the post than just that.

It was not a complex statement - I said I had thought all the problems happened after filming but had become aware there was older incidents. So it is clear I was saying cut him loose because of those, the earlier events, prior to filming.

I said more than once that recasting AFTER filming was nonsense.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120244911#Comment_120244911

No one said they wouldn’t know about the video - of course they knew about the video. You were suggesting they would know so much more about the video than anyone else, and indeed enough to have considered a snapshot of an incident with no charges or complaints of any kind arising from it to have been grounds for dismissal. They’d have been concerned no doubt, and I’m sure would have spoken to Ezra about it at length - but your point is there was enough there to have fired Ezra then and there. I think Ezra would’ve been in more trouble had the woman decided to make any sort of complaint after, but as it was, it just disappeared as an event as quickly as it arose and made it very easy for WB to continue on as normal.

On the Tokata set visit, I mean, literally every aspect of the known story at the time would suggest it would have been viewed as a kind act. Ezra brought huge Harry Potter fan Tokata, their chaperone, and their friends family to visit a Potter set. And that’s the extent of that story at the time. I’m just not seeing grounds for dismissal. We’re also not repeating the same things… honestly I’d have thought that learning Tokata was 14 instead of 12, and was brought with a chaperone and a bunch of family friends instead of alone, might’ve changed your opinion on the optics of it.

but it does seem there’s no agreement to be gained here alright, so I suppose we’ll call it a day 😅

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120244941#Comment_120244941

Ok, not sure what it's important your point be clarified so exactly when the main question - why is Ezra Miller still employed - is the pertinent one, not the exactitude of your statement.

It's just chat about comic movies, and it's minor controversial lead

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120245101#Comment_120245101

Of course executives, producers, etc. (and I don’t just mean WB) knew more than the public.

14 is still a child.

there is agreement though - call it a day ;)

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120245201#Comment_120245201

I don’t know about “important” but why I had to clarify was because despite saying twice that recasting Miller after filming was done was nonsense you clearly misunderstood somehow and posted that I had said the opposite. And then you misrepresented another post by only quoting g the part that for some reason suited you.

I don’t know why you are using that tired old “it is just a movie” - who said it was more than a movie? I didn’t say it was anything else.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120245408#Comment_120245408

Dude I'm not "misrepresenting" anything, nothing "suits" me; it's a conversation not a fight, dial it back a notch. Im not trying to win something, Jesus.

Yes it's just a comic movie, there's no factions here, no intent, no argument. I'm done with this weird segue, so you go that way, I'll go the other.

youngblood

Wonder if Derry Girls actress is gonna still be in this?

Saoirse Monica Jackson?? She's hardly cut?

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120245439#Comment_120245439

Dial what back?

I’m quite calm. If anyone is getting emotional here it you. And it seems to be just because I said you were mistaken or had misunderstood.

You did “misrepresent” what I said by taking a portion of the post that suited your claim that I had said something that I didn’t say.

I never said it isn’t a comic book movie nor did I mention or even think of factions, etc. - that is all you and clearly you are seeing factions, etc.

You correct that this got weird - but it was you that made so.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120245523#Comment_120245523

I thought she was in the tv series.

silverharp

wrong thread

youngblood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120247018#Comment_120247018

No the movie, she's been v afraid to even mention it as she constantly seems unsure of what she can/can't reveal

kerplun k

Just watched the trailer. Thought Sups was back only to be revealed as Supergirl. Had to laugh at that.

Cavil must really be unlikable behind the scenes. They brought Affleck back for it, there’s a clear role for Cavil, which they’ve basically swapped out of Supergirl 😀

Anyhews, the trailer looks really strong.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120289451#Comment_120289451

The scenes with Affleck happen before Flash does whatever he does in the film to cause an alternate reality; where Michael Keaton is Batman and instead of Superman coming to Earth it was Supergirl. There was no real need for Cavill to be in the film regardless. It was also written and filmed long before the decision for Cavill to return was made (and then changed).

kerplun k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120289536#Comment_120289536

Says here his scenes were deleted.

That’s going out of your way to get rid of him 😀

https://thedirect.com/article/flash-movie-henry-cavill-cameo-deleted

dublinman1990

The Flash is going to be premiered to industry insiders 2 months in advance who will be attending CinemaCon 2023.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-flash-premiere-cinemacon-1235530943/

This is probably going to generate the same level of hype that was made for TDK in 2008.

If that is the case with The Flash movie; we maybe seeing something really special unfold on screen.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120289553#Comment_120289553

Wasn't aware of that, but it still doesn't change that Superman wasn't replaced with Supergirl. Supergirl was always going to be in the film because it's an alternate reality. They may have shot a Superman cameo when they made the decision to bring Cavill back, but given the changes that happened with Gunn being brought in to reset the DCU, there was no longer any point in having a Cavill cameo since he won't be the Superman going forward. Likewise Affleck won't be Batman going forward but his scenes are set before Flash changes the timeline and were always part of the film.

Cavill wasn't swapped out for Supergirl, and there's no evidence Cavill is unlikeable behind the scenes. Gunn and Safran are rebooting almost the entirety of the DCU and likely recasting most of the main roles. They seem to want to go younger and start afresh with Superman rather than continue with or try to adapt Snyder's/Cavill's Superman.

pixelburp

TBH if that report is true, then Cavill's cameo sounds like no great loss, and a silly way to placate the dumber audience members who can't work out this film isn't set in the main DC universe and Superman is still "somewhere".

But yeah Supergirl was always meant to be in this - insofar as "always" applies to a film that took this long to get into production in the first place. Doubt, given the plot, we're going to see as sunny and optimistic a version as the Melissa Benoist TV one.

Slydice

Has there ever been details about what it is exactly that Cavill does behind the scenes?

Is he hitting the crew or something? Shouting and roaring?

It's wierd that he seems so into a lot of the universes he joins and delivers so well on performances but has such a bad reputation.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120289918#Comment_120289918

Huh? He wasn't pushed cos of that, it's just DC are just trying to reset the universe - sorta. And they decided Cavill was, I guess, too tainted by the Synder films. Unless I've missed tattle about his behaviour - guy seems to be fairly down to earth AFAIK.

Brief_Lives

he seems quite likable... just a giant nerd. likes to train and build pc gaming machines, and play computer games....

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120289553#Comment_120289553

You do know that Aflecks Batman is meant to be in a number of scenes at the start that would have had to have been a total rework and his omission from now can be due to flashpoint going forward. Cavil appearance was just a cameo and had no real importance and not big so easily cut

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120289918#Comment_120289918

There have been no issues with Cavill behind the scenes. Even on The Witcher, he's been trying to keep things close to the source material, but the writers have kept changing things and straying from the books in ways he wasn't happy with (one of the characters they introduced and quickly killed off early in Season 2 is one of Geralt's best friends and an important character for Ciri throughout the books, but the writers seemingly killed him off just for shock value). However there don't seem to have been any big arguments or rows or anything, he simply just decided he didn't want to play the role any more (especially as it seemed he was going to be returning as Superman).

Slydice

Over the years I got the impression things just didn't work out between him and crew from what I remember of discussions of different projects he'd been on.

I dunno. Haven't looked into it.

kerplun k

i think he dropped out of The Witcher as well. Another role he was great in, but was also unexplainably dropped.