The Flash

CastorTroy

Is it possible to do a Sonic/Plummer/Tig type replacement at this point?

Another delay incoming?

Now who would they replace him with? Grant Gustin seems obvious but probably want to keep it separate.

It would be bad if violence against women isn't cause for removal while sexual assault is.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118950981#Comment_118950981

Miller is the main character, and even plays more than one version of The Flash going by the trailer. Editing him out for another actor would stick out more than Superman's moustache. Sonic was pure CGI anyway, Plummer wasn't the main character and Spacey's version was heavily prosthetics/makeup, and Tig's character was in Snyder's film and therefore that character was only in focus for about 18 frames of film anyway.

Then again, the release date is June 2023, and the film is likely a sunk cost at this stage. Maybe they will just recast and reshoot as many of the scenes as possible. Be creative with camera angles to avoid having to bring too many of the cast back.

pixelburp

The other difference with All the Money in the World was it was, basically, a People Talking in Rooms movie. All the cast were happy to reshoot their scenes with Plummer 'cos it was a couple of weeks extra shoot and that was kinda it. A bit of extra work in the editing booth and all was done; indeed IIRC Ridley Scott treated it like a challenge: could they reshoot a huge chunk of the film and still make the release date?

Here, a recast would not only require weeks of reshoots (assuming the rest of the cast were available for them - and for some that'd involve wirework and other tedious aspects), but also having to re-do the hundreds of FX shots already in the can. Logistically it'd be leagues more complex than even the FX heavy Sonic.

CastorTroy

It is something the "bad boy" types would get away with before as it seems to come from being drunk or high. So likely just proceed as normal and maybe suggest Ezra goes to rehab or get some help and hope they keep their nose clean, so to speak, between now and the film's release.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118951510#Comment_118951510

I don't know. I saw reports that Barry Keoghan was arrested a few days ago for being intoxicated, but I think he was mostly just drunk and being a bit loud. Miller's actions go beyond "bad boy". He's being incredibly abusive and violent, and honestly seems to need a serious mental health intervention if the reports of him having breakdowns while filming The Flash are true.

pixelburp

I can imagine the various marketing flunkies, hovering around the journalists during the PR junkets, are going to be shutting down anything resembling questions about Miller's behaviour.

The White Wolf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118950981#Comment_118950981

Don't think they can replace Ezra at this point, even with last minute reshoots they'd need him to play ball. Mind you I'd say they filmed enough footage to give them an out in some ham fisted way.

They either knew what was coming or were incredibly lucky that they got Keaton involved and also Sasha Calle as Supergirl, as at least they can carry the marketing campaign (though I'd imagine Keaton would be fuming at having to do that).

What a disaster, I've generally liked Snyder's casting but this keeps radiating a pungent smell.

enfant terrible

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118952356#Comment_118952356

How much would it matter if the star of a movie was pulled from all promotion?

As long as the movie gets good reviews, would the public care the star is not doing promotions.

FunLover18

https://twitter.com/ZeeZeeMooMoo/status/1517232480721551360?t=AclINGFk8FQ-s1OKBYtWvQ&s=19

😂😂

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118954257#Comment_118954257

I'd not be thinking Miller's problems are going to sink the movie, but the last thing any studio or marketing team would ever want would it for its star to drag things down with negative publicity. Good reviews aren't a guarantee of a successful box office, and if all social media is doing is chattering about what latest thing Ezra Miller does, rather than talking up the movie? Well that ain't good.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118949331#Comment_118949331

were other members of the cast or crew of the film involved ?

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118954257#Comment_118954257

I never follow the promotion side of things but I think the star of a film not being present for the press tour would be all that the media talks about.

However, bad press can have a positive effect on box office - it can lead to more people being interested in seeing a film.

I would much prefer that a Flash movie series start out with an origin story that has him trying to get control of his speed. Save Flashpoint for a second or third film.

dublinman1990

Well now. This is interesting......

https://mobile.twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/1519107798570651648

FunLover18

Pardon my ignorance but what's the classic Batman line? "I'm Batman"?

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118983407#Comment_118983407

They quote the one they’re talking about at the start of the tweet;

”You wanna get nuts?! Let’s get nuts!”

https://youtu.be/NriOZ6ofj_Q

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118985107#Comment_118985107

Ah I see. "Classic" 😏

dublinman1990

Seven batsuits for Keaton in this film.

https://screenrant.com/flash-movie-keaton-7-batsuits-batman-trend-costumes/

Holy fashion statement Batman! 😁

Agent Coulson

How much more is going to come out about this guy

Whats the chances the Flash gets locked in the WB Vault never to see the light of day.

Or they Kevin Spacey him with another actor or just digitally replace him.

‘Flash’ Star Ezra Miller Faces More Legal Troubles

The cascade of legal troubles continued today for 29-year-old Flash star Ezra Miller as parents of an 18-year-old named Tokata Iron Eyes filed paperwork asking a judge to issue an order of protection against the actor on behalf of their child.

“Ezra uses violence, intimidation, threat of violence, fear, paranoia, delusions, and drugs to hold sway over a young adolescent Tokata,” says the filing, which was obtained by multiple outlets.

The 18-year-old’s parents allege the two met at Standing Rock Reservation in North Dakota when their child was just 12. The parents allege Miller gave Tokata alcohol and drugs, flew the child to London and to places such as Vermont, New York, California and Hawaii.

It was in Hawaii that Miller was arrested twice earlier this year, once for an altercation in a bar and another time for second-degree assault.

The Flash comes out in theaters on June 23, 2023. Miller also appeared in Warner Bros. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, but is not linked to the franchise going forward.

A hearing has been set next month to address the parents’ filing.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/flash-star-ezra-miller-faces-legal-troubles-1235041099/

pixelburp

Jesus Christ, it's one thing after another with this guy. Perhaps somewhere right now, some WB execs are wondering if they can just retrofit it completely as a Batman 89 sequel.

Lithium93_

Would it be that easy to digitally replace Miller as Coulson as suggesting?

Or would they really risk a backlash similar to what happened with Henry Cavill and his moustache?

Mr Crispy

Cavill's moustache hadn't assaulted anyone. Not that we know of, anyway.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119186453#Comment_119186453

Problem is, Cavill was a side character and didn't feature in the movie til about the last act or thereabouts. This movie is about The Flash; so from the start, inside and outside the costume Ezra Miller will be front and centre. Heck IIRC, there's a second Miller / Barry Allen going by the trailers. Can't see how replacing the lead of a film wouldn't be incredibly expensive, ballooning an already costly flick.

IIRC reshooting 80% of Solo was rumoured to leave the final film's budget at $350 million; you'd probably not be that far off replacing the lead and shooting all his scenes again.

Basically, IMO, this film is f*cked.

B.A._Baracus

If the movie was due out over the summer, WB could have just gone ahead and released it. Try and get back some money.

Problem is this sh*t is taking too long to release. We've already seen trailers and it's not coming out until June 2023! Ha, Ezra will probably be in jail for some sh*t by then lol.

The White Wolf

It's a nightmare.

I can see this being cut to a 90 minute or less disaster that would rival a non Spidey Sony release.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119190903#Comment_119190903

Further, this already was leaning into the hype of Keaton's Batman returning; wouldn't surprise me if promotions pivot completely into it being a Batman & Supergirl movie, with guest star Barry Allen.

dublinman1990

Barbara Muschetti had said on her Instagram account recently that will be another trailer released for this movie very soon. It's said could be out during this year's San Diego Comic Con.

https://thedirect.com/article/flash-movie-trailer-update

It was noted last week to that this movie has very positive test screenings among critics and fans at WB. WB are not going to release it via a streaming service only. They are still planning to release it in the cinemas next year.

Agent Coulson

If he is charged with grooming a child I very hightly doubt WB will be giving it a high profile cinema release.

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119192578#Comment_119192578

If that's the case, there might be a small chance they won't release it at all.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119192822#Comment_119192822

You'd imagine WB Legal are going absolutely crazy right now. Wonder will a tonne of investigators be hired to figure out how true the allegations are. Long way to the criminal courts and a good legal or corporate investigator could surface a lot of truth in things.

As you say, this movie could disappear but it'd be a helluva precedent, a high profile superhero movie never existing

youngblood

Are the really gonna gamble and hope real life issues wont wipe out a multimillion dollar project?

Surely there has to be a back up plan to salvage possible entire disaster? Millions are spent marketing a movie like this, not a penny will be spent promoting this movie if any of the above proves to be true

CastorTroy

To be honest, I think it would still do well. There are plenty of people who will never read this news or just glance at the name, not recognise it and forget the story existed. Then there are people who would go see it anyway.

I'll be honest and say I plan on seeing the film and as long his deal doesn't involve a share of profits like Scarlett with Black Widow, then he doesn't profit from people going to see it. And at this rate, I'd be surprised if he did get anything even if his contract said he would since I believe most contracts involve a morality clause.

I'm sure this film is setting up the DCU going forward, so they need to release it and while they may struggle to replace him in what's been filmed, they could find a storyline reason to recast or change the character to Wally or someone and either reshoot later scenes to reduce Ezra's screentime or add a scene at the end that replaces him going forward.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119194234#Comment_119194234

I suppose it depends how credible the grooming allegations are, and how much they hit the mainstream news. If this thing takes off, the movie's doomed, and Miller's career is toast.

This film seems to be cursed from the outset. Took years to get going, went through a bunch of directors and just when it finally happens ... the main star turns out to be a trashfire.

CastorTroy

Yeah once mainstream news starts referring to him as "The star of the upcoming movie The Flash..." people will pay attention.

Agent Coulson

He done now

A mother and her 12 year old has been granted a temporary restraining order by the courts on Erza Miller.

This is not connected to the other grooming case.

pixelburp

Jaysus; a restraining order in relation to what alleged offence? More grooming or something else?

To by a fly on the wall at DC's head office.

Agent Coulson

I'm in work so cant link the report it’s in the daily beast and starting to break in a few other places now.

OU812

At this point, it'd be a lower cost for them to delay this movie a year & pump $20m into digitally replacing him, (hopefully also digitally replace him in JL also). It's going to lose an absolute fortune.

They've digitally replaced actors before quite successfully, there's no reason it can't be done.

johnny_ultimate

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211821#Comment_119211821

They've never digitally replaced a lead actor, who is presumably in a majority or vast majority of the scenes in the film. Any other cases of digital replacement have been on a much smaller scale, and rarely (if ever) successfully. I don't know of any cases of a lead actor being fired or replaced post principal photography.

They either basically reshoot the film, dump it entirely or just release it at is. None of those are easy or cheap options.

FunLover18

The only example I can think that would come close is Tig Notaro in Army of the Dead but that's a much smaller role.

OU812

Combination of reshoots & digital replacement would work. It's either that or sit by & watch their investment burn

pixelburp

If they still wanna make that 2023 date they'd have to recast right now. What's Great Gustin up to?

pjohnson

Between Miller and Heard 2023 is looking like it could tank the DCEU.

~Rebel~

Jeysus... even beyond the flash stuff, you'd hope any family/friends close to Miller would get them to maybe go in for a bit of counselling or help or something. At this stage it sounds like they're in a pretty erratic place, which will do no favours for their career, and just their life...

From all the various reports, it seems like they're very quick to anger, and have weapons to hand, which could be a recipe for total disaster if someone they trust doesn't get to talk a bit of sense to them.

As an aside, it seems a bit odd that this person is only filing for a restraining order now, when the event happened over 4 months ago, and Miller is by all accounts some 5000 miles away...

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212681#Comment_119212681

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211966#Comment_119211966

I was just thinking maybe the best path is to quietly relegate it to HBO Max: as a cinematic prospect it's probably dead in the water, but with streaming all is never completely lost; if WB dump it onto their streaming service it can at least exist as something to entice subs.

Agent Coulson

When it comes to the film itself I really feel for Michael Keaton after all those years he returns as Batman it should have been a moment for him and fans 30 years in the making and now it's ruined.

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212897#Comment_119212897

He's gonna be ok the Batgirl film too, isn't he?

youngblood

I really think it's looking more likely that they'll just shelf this entire movie and maybe try and retcon any salvageable scenes in future DCEU

films. Although at this rate, what's viable? Left?

This vid came back to me as I thought of possibilities going forward,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK2xBqk8w4I&ab_channel=BeyondTheTrailer

dunno what went down that it never happened but was an interesting idea

Lithium93_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212154#Comment_119212154

I think he's only just recently wrapped up The Flash's 8th season, and is coming back for a presumed 9th.

EltonJohn69

Mark Wallberg confirmed to replace flash. Reshoots beginning next month.

CastorTroy

Would have to be Tom Holland.