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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Down 6.5k now, getting painful to look at. Sickening to see 4 months of savings just wiped and no sign it's stopping there.




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,902 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Amazing how 10% daily drops on the FAANGs and all the other darlings became so run of the mill in such a short space of time, Facebook well on its way to giving up 5 years of gains there today. Its like a traditional crypto "rug-pull" but happening in the real world with peoples pensions and savings, Biden and the Democrats are going to be annihilated over this, Id say Republican leaders are laughing their asses off at getting to blame the last few years of mismanagement and money printing on the left.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,723 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Ya, there's blood on the streets now. Even Apple down 3.5% today. You can't keep printing money and not expect the effects to hammer home eventually. The chickens always come home to roost, as they say. Don't for a minute think the likes of Rich Boy Barrett wouldn't print money and hand it out too, if he could.

    Question is - is it time to be greedy yet??

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭weemcd


    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say consumer spending is gonna be down across the board. Everything I'm reading says recessions. House prices about the only thing that haven't taken a massive nosedive so far... I dare say that's next by the end of year (I'm talking very general picture here, not one country or economy specifically.)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭crushproof


    I'm down horrificially, held on to bunch of now junk growth stocks that have dragged my portfolio down completley. The only recent greens have been a couple of holdings I have on the FTSE.


    Not sure whether to let the laggards go or not at a significant loss. I can't see them ever climbing back up again.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Well it's good to know I'm not alone. lol

    I was thinking what's the end game of the fed. I don't think the economy can sustain and perform well with 2/3/4 % interest rates.

    So if they tame inflation and the economy is sluggish they may well drop them again to get the economy going. Market could rebound a lot if this was announced.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Greed and fear move markets and at the moment there is more fear than greed with the prospect of rates rising. It could well be the case that rates will be cut to get the economy going in the future but that won’t happen for at least 12 months and it’s unlikely that the rebound would be as strong as a lot of retail investors will have been badly burned and will become risk adverse and stay away from the stock market.

    Its these retail investors that have allowed the big boys to unload some of their positions and take profit and the same retail investors that will have the largest losses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,723 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I suppose the question now is - is it a good time to buy? Regardless of the price, the intrinsic value is still the same.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    The intrinsic value won’t be the same because you have a higher cost base and falling revenue which will probably translate to lower margins. You also need to to take into account the impact of rate rise on existing debt which will have a lower MTM and work out the increased cost of rolling over debt. The gearing ratio of a company also becomes more important with rates rising.

    Basically there are a lot of moving parts to work out the intrinsic value and you need a reliable model that has been fully backtested to be able to rely on your calculation of the intrinsic value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭jams100


    I wouldnt be too panicked, 99% of people are probably down over the past 12 months.

    Probably a lot of lessons for many on here about having a balanced portfolio, thankfully I've had a few dividend stocks like unum and associated british foods to balance out the significant losses from growth stocks like Gan. (I'm still significantly down over the past ~6 months but no wipe out and still up since covid drop).

    I however am not overly worried about the growth stocks like GAN...the long term thesis on these stocks haven't been broken. I have learned a lesson not to put money into businesses that I didn't/couldn't fully understand like Upstart.

    Google, Meta etc. Aren't suddenly bad companies because there down 33%+ I'll be adding to positions over the coming weeks, in no mad rush though, markets tend to overshoot to the upside but also the downside. (The irrational nature of the market shown by Snap (a small company) dragging down a behemoth like Meta by 8%). Two quite different companies one trading a 52 p/e the other trading at 13 p/e and buying back a massive amount of stock.

    There are better days ahead once you can get into the long term mindset.

    Some good people to follow to get a longer term mindset = Sean Peche, Morgan Housel and Josh Brown



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,723 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    To me, the Intrinsic value of a company is the equity plus the present value of all future discounted free cash flows. Strange as it may sound, the intrinsic value of a company decreases every day. It's at it's highest the day the company is founded and it's lowest the day it winds up, if it ever does.

    I'm a disciple of Buffett. 😀 I think most people loose money because they don't accept this principle. It you can't begin to project future cash flows, just walk away. It has stood Buffett well over the years.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭dil87


    Not nearly enough fear out there yet. Too many people are still 'buying the dip' and holding onto stocks that are down 80%+, until all these people admit defeat and throw in the towel there is more pain ahead. The market will turn up when all the news is still terrible, but we usually need to see some capitulation style selling before a real bottom is established.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    I would tend to agree with you just look at the top ten traded stocks on revolut for the past week




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Thank God for stop losses, is all I can say. Got me out of some stuff that has really imploded.

    I know market makers etc. can chase stop losses, but I'm small scale soo would hardly register on their radar, I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    I think the drop has a bit to go yet. Judging by Snapchat earnings, and the US latest housing results especially is a marker for recession.

    Ive been wanting to buy in but have been holding back while still pledging cash to my IB account for when it can’t drop much further.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭massdebater


    Usually those big selloffs are as a result of mass liquidations because people are over-leveraged. The slow decline over the past six months, along with all the recession talk, has given people plenty of time to de-risk. We may not see a huge red candle, although I'm keeping cash ready in case we do.

    You're right that there's not enough fear yet, but we're getting there. When the fed pivots from their tightening, the market likely will too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Needs to be mass layoffs for the real fear to kick in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    BABA quarterly results in! Not tanking yet anyways :)




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    BABA up 11% currently



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    it's not 4 months of savings though, is it? look, i lost 89k out of 93k, 2 years ago, and I was pi**ed, but, I had only invested 32 of that a few years before, so I lost 50+, but, I stayed with my 4 k, and i brought it up to 35, where that has been hovering for 30-35k. But that is the market, at the time, if I hadnt tanked, I was gonna pull 85k a month later to buy an apartment, but sh*t happens.


    now is the time for opportunities.


    I've been in stocks for 17 years, up lots, down lots, but overall, once I'm not greedy or cocky, I will do well, and I definitely have made good profits.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,723 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    PSTH has literally done nothing pricewise the last 6 months (despite everything going on). Surely this is a safe bet to have a position in and wait it out for the good news to come in? Might open back up a position.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,385 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Literally nothing because you're 99% getting $20 per share when it ends in 2 months.

    SPACs can only be active for 2 years, which ends in August this year for PSTH. He's trying some obscure second SPARC to give some benefit to shareholders, but realistaically it's just cash.

    At 0% movement YTD it's probably by best performing holding YTD



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Atlas_IRL


    I wouldnt touch it or any spac in this market with a barge poll.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,116 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    What happens if you bought Amazon shares after May 27th?

    All shareholders on record as of May 27 will see 19 additional shares of stock for every one share they own on the big day. If you have two whole shares of Amazon stock in your account by the deadline, you'll receive 38 additional shares after the stock split.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,385 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    You'll just get more shares. It's a 20-to-1 split so for example...

    Old share price - $2000

    New share price - $100


    Someone who bought $4k worth of Amazon on 25th May got 2 shares, which became 40 shares.

    Someone who bought $4k worth of Amazon today gets 40 shares.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I could see the S+P dropping to 3300 before year end even with no recession , the market was simply too richly valued and growth was such a driver , that sector being in a bear market will inevitably weigh , the market often corrects back a few years and its really only about twenty months since the market was at 3300



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    BABA at 2 month high.

    Now portfolio is back down to - 8% after touching about - 16 or - 17% a few weeks ago.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Are people buying Amazon now that its more accessible to retail plebs like us?


    Picked up a couple myself yesterday @$121, which was just about the pre split price, my assumption being that it will now become a popular retail/reddit plaything and the SP will become increasingly volatile...soo opportunities for trades may arise.



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