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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Got a battery warning today in the ID.4 with 20% left and 100km showing on the GOM


    On the Leaf the GOM didn't stay over 100km for long 😏

    When I got the warning there were 2 50kW units a short detour from our route and 2 more plus a HPC within 20km, plus several AC chargers

    Running out of charge in a modern EV with home charging would take some effort, despite our measly public charging network

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Damien Maguire of Bmw with Tesla motor conversion worked in this company in county Wicklow and this box claims 5kW charging rate, designed by him I believe.

    About EV Rescue

    It is powered by lithium ion battery technology so that the EVCharge 4kWcan provide up to 20km of range in half an hour if a car runs out of power. It has the ability to provide Level 2 AC charging with 240V of energy, topping up any vehicle with enough power to get to the nearest charging point.

    https://jtmpower.ie/blogs/news/test

    In practical terms unless they wait with you it's probably easier to tow to nearest charge point. Even at 20kW they still need to wait with you.

    https://evbmw.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @zg3409 - what makes you think the AA uses the box you mention? Clearly they couldn't claim to charge an EV to 15% in 20 minutes with a 5kW AC charger. I'd say it's almost certain they have a mobile DC 22kW charger.


    BTW I just missed out on Damien Maguire's "Red Arrow" BMW 318tds EV conversion a few weeks ago, would have loved to buy that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,890 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    What are people's thoughts on the future of ev charging and charging costs.

    With smart metering going forward, are we just going to end up paying stupid money for any electricity sent into car? The government are surely going to bring costs back to somewhere near what it's costs to run a diesel.

    Are we in the golden age of ev ownership before they have even got going?

    The way I see it, soon we will either be charged a transport rate for our units of electricity fed to car or will be required to declare mileage and pay tax based on that.

    An ev with limited tech run from off grid solar pv could be the motoring hack in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,393 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    With the cost of living increasing at the rate it is I can't see any government getting on board with that.

    Also how would the smart meter know your charging a car or running a grow house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,890 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Well there is talk of a higher kWh rate for domestic ev charging so I reckon they must have figured out how to differentiate.

    Plus if you are running a grow house and drawing similar levels of power to an ev charging' I'm sure the electricity supplier would be happy to charge the EV rate for the units.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @mickdw - the government can never know how much of the electricity you use at home is used for your car. And owning an electric car coupled with a tiny sense of doing what is right and saving a bit of money would have you install some solar PV on your home. Both my cars are now mostly charged for most of the year from my solar panels. For free. With zero emissions. And zero taxes.


    Of course it is likely that we will end up with tax based on mileage done. But that is a long time away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    And to give you an idea - I live in a small semi-D house in Lucan. An average house in Ireland uses about 3000kWh per year in electricity and 3000kWh per year for hot water. I produce 10000kWh per year in electricity (solar PV) and 3000kWh per year in hot water (solar thermal). If we had a net metering system like in most more advanced countries, my bills would be zero (including running both my cars)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,226 ✭✭✭creedp


    In the interim, if the Govt chose to do so, there is no reason why a higher vrt rate/motor tax rate couldnt be applied to EVs. The zero/lower rates were introduced to boost EV demand. These policy measures have a tax implication as taxes have to be raised elsewhere to offset these tax subsidies. This is now a redundant policy as demand massively exceeds supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 Duwek


    Can anyone who owns an Id 4 tell me how you feel about it? I'm considering purchasing. Looking into getting solar panels



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    WTF is this shite. Dealer selling an Nissan Note ePower as a Nissan Leaf claiming "easy EV no plug-in"

    https://www.carsireland.ie/3094810



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭Spider Rico


    Hi @unkel, I’m looking to get an EV and living in a semi D with 3 solar PV panels. I have no idea what they generate but didn’t think it would be that much. Interested in charging as much from solar as possible - would love to hear more about your solar set up and how you get the most out of solar for charging?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Driving EV’s since 2012 and I’ve never once ran out of battery while out.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    How will they know?

    You could reduce the charge rate to 3kW and for all the government knows you could be boiling the kettle or have your immersion on!

    But I do agree, the lost revenue from motor tax and fuel duty will have to be captured from somewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    What I've heard is that we'll end up with billing for peak power (kW) alongside the usage (kWh). If your average power (kW) over the period exceeds a certain amount then you'll pay more. The end result is that those with EVs or high consumption devices may end up turning down the charging rate or charging from solar etc to avoid going over. Not sure how this would play out if you have a heatpump in the house also.

    From what I understand, peak power charges are already a thing on commercial electricity supplies so it's not something entirely new.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,393 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Change road tax per km driven. You need to submit your odo reading every year and then this is checked when NCT is due. Dealers are also required to submit a reading on all cars they take in.

    If you under declare your milage you then get charged the balance plus a penalty when the correct reading is submitted even if you've sold the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    Apparently they can already tell based on the load - obviously only on smart meters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭wassie


    Several states in Australia have already or are planning to introduce electric vehicle road user charges. Rate is AUD 2.5c per km.

    Rest assured the Govt wont be left wanting as revenue from fuel taxes starts to decline significantly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,393 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    It shouldn't just be for EVs but all vehicles. If you have a taxi licence or a haulage license etc then you can claim a deduction on the km rate.

    You could set the rate at 2c per km or something and then you'll get EVs up to €200 for a standard 10,000km.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,890 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    There are various ways that they could bring in an increased charge for powering your ev.

    It could be just based on overall useage so a household gets so much standard rate units and pay heavy tax on anything over that.

    Government being government would likely trigger the increased rate on direct useage not allowing for anything fed back.

    They could also trigger high rate as soon as a wallbox is used via any form of data link.

    I guess the main point here is that if an increased electricity charge is the way they go, people should be looking at solar pv with a completely different set of calcs. The payback time on pv based on very high electricity costs would be very short indeed and a complete no brainer.

    I have large south and west facing roofs. That corner is an absolute suntrap so would be ideal.

    I spend over 3k per year on petrol currently so really a nice ev and enough solar to run it should be the way forward.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    There was something about this in the UK a while back, because all the chargers have an internet connection to get the OLEV grant then there was the potential they could report EV charging usage and that could be taxed or charged extra

    It would never work, there's nothing to stop an EV owner just disconnecting the charger from the internet or using a granny cable, then there's no way to differentiate between the house and the EV

    Where I could see a tax being introduced is on DC chargers. Since they tend to push up peak demand they're often powered by gas turbines (assuming they don't have batteries) and might be liable for carbon tax as a result

    As to whether we're in the golden age of EV ownership, yes in many ways we are. Subsidies and discounts are already being rolled back, and there's no doubt there'll be a new road tax system for EVs soon, it won't be a flat 120 forever. My guess would either be a tax by mileage or vehicle size, since emissions isn't really a factor anymore

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Best to check the ID.4 thread

    But as an owner for the past year here's the quick summary

    Car is great, easy to drive, buckets of range, comfortable and plenty of space


    Technology is not as great, the software is fine, basically everything works, but there's a lot of functions are poorly implemented and annoying to use. It is getting better, but very slowly

    If I were buying again I'd test drive a Kia EV6, IMO it's the superior car at the moment with better software, faster DC charging and the V2L addon

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Arrived home with 8% remaining on the Leaf one time, GOM had given up and was showing --- km remaining

    That's the closest I've ever been to actually running out. I'll admit I was a tad nervous as to whether I'd make it or not but there were several chargers within reach anyway

    I had a disaster travelling home down the M1 one time. Basically the only charger I could reach was the EasyGo one in Lidl Drogheda and I got stuck behind an I-Pace and and E-Tron waiting to charge 🙄

    I didn't have enough battery left to be sure I'd reach Lusk services without running out so I'd no choice but to sit and wait. My wife was understandably unimpressed with the situation

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭zg3409


    In terms of golden age for EVs possibly, I mostly consider it as a tax dodge, low tax, very cheap to refill, dodging all fuel duties and taxes and vat, half price tolls which are due to go away soon.

    Main issue is public charging is lacking behind demand at peak times, so there is a downside particularly on very long trips with a small battery EV. It could be argued it's a help only to middle classes who own their own home, have a driveway and have the budget to buy an EV.

    Long term road tax (remember they never set EVs to zero road tax, just discounted), mileage based on NCT readings or self declared during motor tax renewal. It's a thing brought up regularly that the fuel taxes and new car sales taxes income will need to come from elsewhere. So grab it which you can and solar panel grants may be reduced in the coming years too, an EV is a great way to soak up excess solar. They already removed grants from home solar batteries, so a much larger EV battery makes sense.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,829 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    The avoided carbon tax fines will replace the monies alluded to in previous posts. In the longer term, a healthier and therefore cheaper public to "treat". Need a wider view on this transition



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I have a smart meter. And in my “insights”’it tells me how many kWh went into the car.

    Here’s the problem, during that period I never plugged in!

    My guess is that the meter sees the house load during sunny days, it sees the load to the battery, the eddi and possibly a cooler or something and thinks it’s a car charging :)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I do about 12000km per year.

    That would be €300 per year if my sums are good?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I was doing some ABRP planning today and noticed that it picked Tesla SuC chargers in the UK both directions

    Obviously ones that have been opened up since it knows my car (ID.4) and wasn't using them until recently

    One thing I'm wondering is if ABRP favours Tesla sites since it was originally designed for Tesla owners? I haven't set Tesla to preferred in any of the settings so it should be default

    Or does it just go for largest number of chargers en route, which tends to be Tesla sites anyway?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Plenty of info on PV in the renewable forums or feel free to PM me. I'm afraid your 3 panels, while great for taking care of the base load of your house during much of the day, they won't be able to do much towards charging your car. But there is nothing stopping you from expanding what you have!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    Saw my first Merc EQE out on the road earlier, prob a test drive from the local dealership. Did not look particularly impressive at all, surprisingly small with an odd stubby boot. If I knew nothing I'd think 50/60k rather than the mad money they actually are.

    I've seen a couple of EQSs on the road and while I don't really like the styling at all, they do look a bit fancy.



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