Random EV thoughts.....

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119046726#Comment_119046726

Sure the Toyota's can all use those lovely Tesla charger hubs because the plug fits.

snor

Wheat price are the Toyota BZ4X coming in at? Dealer la few weeks back had no clue or no delivery date.

AndyBoBandy

The only Toyota ads I've been seeing on TV the last few weeks/months are for self charging hybrids, and I think maybe 1 ad for a plug in version of the Rav 4.... and thats it, nothing for the BZ4YXr3I

slave1

You won't need charging for those Toyotas, sure they all charge themselves

dingbat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119049717#Comment_119049717

Talked to a dealer three weeks back who gave me the following prices and lead times.

• BZ4X Sport: €50,184, first models being delivered in July.
• BZ4X Advance: €47,079, first models delivered Oct/Nov.

Both prices inclusive of SEAI grant, delivery, dealer charges.

AndyBoBandy

ouch!!

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119050248#Comment_119050248

I can never get my head around the “inclusive of SEAI grant” the grant has a negative effect on the price.

surely better terminology is “after the SEAI grant “

dingbat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119050709#Comment_119050709

agreed!

wassie

Seems Toyotas marketing that their main point of difference is after 10 years the battery should still retain 90% of its original performance.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119063603#Comment_119063603

Ah the marketing lads had a good roll around writing that one. "should" and "original performance" being the key words of concern right there.

dingbat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119063603#Comment_119063603

Well, it probably should be viewed in the context of their offering a 10 year guarantee on that same battery.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119068569#Comment_119068569

Buy what’s the warranty?

what’s the wording ?

slave1

And how do they know that, no one knows, Leafs are looking around 70odd percent, Tesla's doing much better around high 80s but that's diluted with the extensive battery replacements carried out.

wassie

Devil will be in the (warranty) detail no doubt.

Motoring commentators are suggesting Toyota are using this point of difference to try and leverage their reliability repution for ICE/Hybrid cars, hoping this can translate across to the BEVs.

This is from their European Press Release in Dec last year.

Its confidence in the technology is reflected in an extended care programme that guarantees the battery will still operate to 70% of its original capacity after up to 10 years of ownership or one million kilometres driven, subject to the customer taking their vehicle to an authorised Toyota service centre for an annual health check. To ensure this guarantee could be offered, Toyota developed the battery with a target of 90% of capacity retained after 10 years/240 000 km.

https://newsroom.toyota.eu/european-premiere-of-the-all-new-toyota-bz4x/

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119071438#Comment_119071438

Sure that means nothing, if they're guaranteed 70% after 10 years then there's going to be a lot of margin built in, so targeting 90% health would not be a surprise

Where I'll give them credit is the mileage target. Currently VW are guaranteeing 80% health after 8 years or 160,000km. Not sure what mileage they're targeting but it's probably lower than 240,000km, so it's good to know that a high mileage driver won't wreck the battery

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119072431#Comment_119072431

Few people will bring it to Toyota every year for their annual check. So not many warranties will be valid.

kanuseeme

With the hybrids, sometimes they would offer a free health check with a service, I think it was only 60 euro for the battery health check and it extended the warranty on the battery for another year, which can be done for 10 years.

the_amazing_raisin

https://electrek.co/2022/05/17/electric-fire-truck-deployed-us-lafd/

First (that I've heard of) electric fire truck has been ordered in LA

It's actually a REX, 2 hours of full electric mode and a diesel generator that can extend usage up to 10 hours

To me emergency vehicles seem the perfect use case for a REX, in general operation the vehicle can be run purely on electric power, but if there are extra calls them they can seamlessly switch to diesel and keep going

There's a walk around video at the bottom of the article, I'm far from an expert on fire truck design but the open layout cab seems like a great idea, gives the firefighters a proper place to do briefings and stuff out of the elements

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119075964#Comment_119075964

How much power do their pumps draw ?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119076714#Comment_119076714

I think in the video they mentioned 1600 Gpm pumps, doing some googling turned up a diesel pump with a 70HP engine

70HP is just over 50kW, and they might have mentioned 4 pumps, so over 200kW total?

discostu1

I live close enough to the MTU and in an area with a lot of business parks, and an increasing number of apartments.There are 2 charge points on the public road on the way into MTU and about 8 in one of the business parks. I think they range from 22kw to 7kw.The MTU ones I think are card operated for staff I assume the same for the business parks.So given the issues with chargers in apartments and these are all unused after roughly 6pm would it not make sense to allow apartment eCar owners to use them when they are effectively unused for 14 hours a day

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077076#Comment_119077076

Logistically yes, but it'll never happen to any great extent. The business parking is private and for staff and customers only. Allowing people in to charge at night would create a hassle for business owners, that they don't want.

What happens if the car is broken into during the night for example? Or if someone trips over while plugging the car in and injures themselves? Business owners don't want that kind of liability on their hands

Probably the closest I ever saw was a nearby Nissan dealership with a Chademo charger. The charger was near the gate and after hours you could park on the pavement and pull the cable over the fence to charge for free. Loads of Leafs and a few Tesla's used it, and the salesman told me it was fine when I bought my Leaf.

But if anything untoward happened then the dealership could say the people charging were trespassing and not using the charger correctly, so they'd dodge any liability

discostu1

I hear what your saying 2 are on the public road the ones in the business park are actually just off a public road leading to the Curraheen walkway it’s 100 Metres from Boston scientific and the Park is never closed as a result. I dont know if this is just a Cork thing but there must be loads of under utilised chargers around the country that could, with certain rules be brought into service

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077449#Comment_119077449

It happens all over, for example in the business park where I (occasionally) work there's 4 paid chargers available for staff, but they don't get used outside of business hours because the park closes the gates and doesn't allow overnight parking

discostu1

But in the case of the ones I am talking about the gates don’t close and 2 on a public road.I just think where so many apartments are being built with so little charging available there must be a workable solution. Anyone any ideas ??

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077825#Comment_119077825

The solution is for the Local Councils/Authorities to get involved. They are the "heart" of the community and they are there to "serve" the community.

I've given many examples of over time of how LCs or LAs can educate a community. If one remembers Rodau as we used them for cheap Ionity rates (so subsidies) they also have a rental scheme where you can get an EV for 1 quid an hour. So people can try out and see if an EV is for them. Dublin LCs have gocar sanctioned with free parking anywhere in Dublin but did not asked them to run more EV on the streets not have provided chargers for the ones they have. Since the introduction of charges at ACs the number of EVs gocar has decreased which is just backwards.

Westminister has a page dedicated to EVs and EV chargers

so does Amsterdam and I don't want to touch the Norway

LC will come and say we are gearing for a better public transport and cycling which I do agree that are needed but why those cities like Amsterdamm and Vienna which already have a good public transport are still doing much more for the EVs than LCs here in Ireland? I do believe that rapid public transport (I really hope to live and the the Metro) is needed and cycling lanes are also necessary but I feel that the current policy is against the car at any costs. So while the LC should be your point of call I doubt you'd find much understanding there.

Here is an answer, although from 2018, by Dublin City Council at regard to your question:

You can se the level of push back is there. Very little has changed since.

Businesses are punished if they do what you suggest. Their rates and insurances are based on some opening hours and they may face some costly hikes.

Below is an interesting document that should inform you more about the subject, especially if you plan to contact your LA.

https://www.lgma.ie/en/publications/general-publications/local-authority-electrification-of-fleet-and-ev-charging-guidance.pdf

TitianGerm

I got asked a question in work the other day that I wasn't sure on the answer.

A colleague has spotted an EV that a independent dealer is selling. The EV was bought from a main dealer and had been registered as their test drive car. The independent dealer is now selling it.

Can the buyer claim the grant now? I told her no but she seems to think she can (or she's mixing up the charger grant). She also seems to think she'd be the first owner but would the dealers not be named owners?

KCross

The car grant would already have been claimed when it was registered and can’t be claimed a second time for the same car.

The charge point grant can of course be claimed by the new owner. That’s tied to your MPRN and applies to new and second hand cars, so that’s fine.

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093348#Comment_119093348

If the dealer registered the car as a demo though they wouldn't have gotten the grant. I think that's where she was coming from and getting confused as she'd be the first individual owner.

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093384#Comment_119093384

Being a demo wouldn’t matter. They’d still claim the grant at time of registration.

Ultimately the dealer claims the grant, not the owner, so whatever the net price the dealer is selling it for is what she’ll pay. She won’t be paying X and then claiming €5k from the government herself.