Cork developments

That's exactly what it is.

It's not incompetence on the part of CIE at all, rather it's incompetence on the part of the Department and TFI/NTA.

It's an example of privatisation done poorly. Likely because public transport wasn't a priority for many governments until more recently.

This x1000

This way it is the NTA who is responsible for the upkeep and BE and other private operators can use it, once they pay a reasonable small fee.

That makes sense, so it will never happen LOL

Patrick's Quay suffered from a total lack of shelter, no amenities and the desire of mummies and daddies to park in the bus bay when waiting for the bus, which led to the buses taking up a traffic lane.

One of the comments was about people being attacked if/when moving between buses (how many people connect into/out of these services ?) . What do people think will happen when the bus gets to its destination - these people who are fearful of their lives in Cork are suddenly in the middle of Dublin (or landing in some other city) and happy as Larry ?

Danger of falling into the river ? How exactly it’s a mostly closed off quay or at least it is up where the buses park.

Well, the intial plan was for all the buses to go to Alfred street , fine , then it was pointed out there aren't enough bus bays at Alfred street - and there were objections from residents over there about noise from the night buses - , and issues over street lighting -

So the next plan ( from a couple of weeks ago) was to split the buses up - which won't suit connections ...

And remember the time frame for the work STARTING was between late 21 and sometime in 2023...

I'm not saying you're fully wrong, but the original drawings show "New Coach Parking" on Anderson Quay and Lower Glanmire Road, with zero mention of Alfred Street (that is mentioned on the website, which says "Relocate some of the existing coach parking facilities to Anderson’s Quay, Lower Glanmire Road and Alfred Street") so it was always known they would be going to the three locations. Maybe the original pre-plan shown to the operators and residents was just Alfred Street, but the official plans published in summer 2020 showed the three new locations. Outside of for disabled users (which I don't think I have seen anyone mention?), I see zero issue with them not being right next to eachother. The Anderson Quay stop is 250m from the Lower Glanmire Road stop (only needing to cross the road once, which is a high quality, 10m crossing. Alfred Street is another 70m from the Lower Glanmire Road stop (or 300m if you go straight from Anderson Quay to Alfred Street, with one crossing), connected by a big plaza and one small pedestrian crossing. It's not like people are being asked to walk from the top of Patrick Street to Western Road or something. If onward connections are so important for these businesses (something I have never heard of, but I know little about it so I could be completely wrong), I'm sure they can work out scheduling to allow for appropriate time for people to walk the 70m-300m (i.e. Bean & Leaf on Grand Parade to the GPO, or the length of MacCurtain St)

Yeah, living on Patrick's Quay so very interested in this argument.

The current location is probably very convenient for passengers; arriving right in the city centre, and it's good to have safety in numbers - while violent crime isn't a huge issue it is an issue (I've been attacked late at night walking along that quay). Having the bus stops there has probably made the quay safer for residents too.

But yeah, there are problems. The paths are too narrow and it results in lots of people walking on the street (or crossing the street between buses!) to get around them. No facilities or shelter. Too many buses for the location (I've seen up to 16 at a time on the quay, some double-parked). Add on those parking and waiting (because of lack of shelter) before dropping off, and you get some horrible traffic problems.

If everything could be accommodated between Patrick's bridge and Michael Collins' bridge it'd be better than moving just some of them to Alfred St. But I think better again would be to use some of the land on Horgan's Quay for a large shared stop with facilities, ideally with a free, frequent shuttle bus to & from Patrick St / Merchant's Quay. Plenty space on Horgan's Quay for parking, waiting and any facilities, still very central, and right next to the train station for connections.

The cast iron pillars to be retained and exposed, were these inside the building?

Indeed. I have vague memories of these, from when I was dragged in there as a child by my mother.

Yup

Both are equally vaguely memorable. Mother must have had me in and out of both shops quite a bit.😁😁

Official opening on Sunday.

Going back to planners with request for changes

Only going to planning stages in 2026, so no housing until 2030 at the earliest? I cannot fathom this as they have aquired most of, if not all the lands. The pace is just mind-blowing tvh.

Creamfields site given approval subject to conditions:

I guess Funderland will need to find a new spot!

Of the 609 units, only 257 are Build To Rent apartments. The rest are Build To Sell apartments and a few own door houses facing Kinsale Road (I'm not sure if the townhouses are to rent or sell)

Yeah Dairygold have form for letting sites under their ownership become derelict. Here's a piece from 16 years ago about it 😬

Nice to see that the development might actually get finished at last. Wonder does it include the half finished apartment block there now

Been a while since I was there alright so good to hear that's getting done up. The road to the train station was getting done too, should've been done before the houses but that'd make sense.

Yeah the road is pretty much done but it looks like it won't be opened until the new schools campus is completed which has only just started preliminary works - another 2 years probably.