Cork developments

opus

One of those wooden bench setups appeared on Popes Quay over the w/end, is this the first one north of the Lee?

DylanQuestion

Off the top of my head. East Douglas Street (Douglas), Douglas Street (City Centre), Watercourse Road/Thomas Davis Street, Cook Street, Wandesford Quay, North Main Street, Evergreen Road, Tory Top, Ballincollig, South Mall. Not 100% sure about the Blackpool one, though

whisky_galore

They could put in proper street furniture, not these recycled pallet things that'll end up getting burnt out.

DylanQuestion

I prefer proper street furniture too but they have been doing that too, by putting proper backs and alternating hand rails (so it isn't anti homelessness) to the big blocks on Grand Parade, Cornmarket Street and Patrick Street. The handy thing about those benches above is that so much is squeezed into a small space, especially in terms of planting. The new ones being installed (with the nice green metal) are much better than the original ones installed so they are looking at improvements

CorkCraneCount

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118707962#Comment_118707962

Not sure which was first, but there was one installed at Mayfield Library very recently too

Markcheese

There's a very sad looking one shoved in a corner near supervalue in Glanmire -

The one in Balincolig is a bit odd - on the road - in front of an enormous pavement ...

iColdFusion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118707962#Comment_118707962

It looked like they had placed this over a drain, the whole area around it was flooded at the weekend!

whisky_galore

If they're not maintained (typical for Ireland) they'll look shabby in a short time, and attract litter and graffiti.

CorkRed93

https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/312235

does this website update when a verdict has been reached? would like to keep tabs on this.

Brianb8802

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713560#Comment_118713560

I'd be interested in that one too.

Where is it located? Are there any plans available online?

CorkRed93

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118717824#Comment_118717824

no idea where its located, know a few people working on their sites but none have any idea where there is going. have seen no plans online either

Mrs_J

Isn't it here (red ticks)?

Apogee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118469173#Comment_118469173

Scaled back plans for Creamfields site going back to ABP:

The proposed development consists of 609 residential dwellings, 561 apartments and 48 townhouse apartments in a mix of one, two, three and four-bed units arranged in 12 buildings with a standalone coffee kiosk.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40820319.html

Apogee

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30855582.html

Examiner reporting (not available online) that ABP have approved a planned increase of 413 apartments to 437 for above development. Also, plans for 103 bed aparthotel in South Terrace:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/property/developmentconstruction/arid-40820628.html

Apogee

Planning OKed for 16 storey office block on Sextant site:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/property/developmentconstruction/arid-40825988.html

airy fairy

What are they putting into all the offices that are being built?

snotboogie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118765419#Comment_118765419

In fairness they have got Penrose Dock across the river 90% full within a year of opening during a pandemic.

marno21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118765419#Comment_118765419

JCD’s last office development (Penrose Dock) has Qualcomm, Grant Thornton, Ibec, Matheson, Varonis, Cadence, Remitly, Sophos, Cloudera, Minelab, CH Robinson and others

JCD are excellent at filling new office space. 90% occupancy at Penrose Dock which finished after Navigation Square which has ~30% occupancy by my estimate. Horgan’s Quay isn’t full either.

whisky_galore

Boring looking box. Could be Anywhere Europe.

2Beamzplz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118766283#Comment_118766283

Would you rather they built it in the shape of a potato instead?

airy fairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118768251#Comment_118768251

To be fair, the place is very glass box looking. You only have to look at Connolly hall and see that 'modern' buildings are not all visually nice.

If it was a punter looking for planning for a sole house, you'd have to abide by surrounding structures or those that were knocked to provide the area with a resemblance of what was.

Apogee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722615#Comment_118722615

More movement on Creamfields/CMP site. Planning app for 4/7 storey primary care centre gone to CCC:

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40825946.html

snotboogie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118768346#Comment_118768346

Like the Elysian? R&H Hall? The abandoned warehouses? The tool shop? The pub? Look at the site on Google maps from 2009, the area was a complete mish mash of different land uses and dereliction. No doubt the south docks developments are a bit bland and samey, both in terms of use and design, especially compared to the North Docks but it’s a massive improvement on what was there before. I mean take the quintessential glass box One Albert Quay and compare it to what was there before:

Albert Quay in 2011

Albert Quay in 2021:

DylanQuestion

There is a lot of glass in the Docklands but it's mostly just the floor to ceiling height windows make them look like they're mostly glass boxes. Navigation Square isn't a glass box, it just has big windows, especially at the front. The sides are stone/concrete. 2/3 Horgan's Quay, currently being built, is going to be very similar to Navigation Square. Penrose Dock and the Lapp's Quay buildings are mostly stone and cladding. 1 Station Square (across from The Dean - which is also cladding) is going to be mostly dark brick when it's built. The Horgan's Quay apartments (1 Waterfront Square and 1 Station Square) are mostly buff brick, with white render on the hidden elevation of Railway Street. One Albert Quay is probably our only glass box, and I guess No. 1 Horgan's Quay. The Prism, Custom House Quay and the new Albert Quay tower are mostly glass, though, I will admit. However, more in the city centre, 85 South Mall and The Capitol are all mostly stone.

Almost all of the developments also include at least one retained building or feature. One Albert Quay has a really nice stone wall facing Albert House (https://goo.gl/maps/WumU9jupA6BiGupj6). Navigation Square retained Navigation House's facade and is retaining the (https://goo.gl/maps/85hr5Tq7VYFAKSxX6) Albert Road station walls for NSQ3. Penrose Dock has the steampacket building, The Dean has the Carriage Sheds, the Horgan's Quay offices have the Georgian house and Horgan's Quay apartments have the old house. Even Custom House Quay's tower will have the various sheds and houses retained. Those are the types of thing when you are on the ground walking around, not neccessarily the high up walls of glass. Kennedy Quay will have Odlums, a mixture of stone and glass buildings and probably other brick and concrete elements retained around the site

iColdFusion

Its not an accident they are all glass boxes, they need to get natural daylight levels into deep open plan office spaces to reduce energy usage from lighting for one while the glass will be designed to reflect back solar gain to keep air conditioning usage down.

Most office blocks are just a steel frame anyway so they don't need external walls for support structure and might as well just go all glass as they don't need openable windows either, keeps the window cleaners in business I guess 😄

Apogee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152332#Comment_118152332

ABP have rejected this:

In making its decision, the planning board said it considered that the development as proposed “results in a poor design concept that is substandard in its form and layout due to the lack of sufficient high-quality, appropriately landscaped, usable open spaces, which are available for a mix of active and passive uses”.

As a result, the board said it considered that the proposed development represented over-development of the site and “would lead to conditions injurious to the residential amenities of future occupants” and would contravene the city development plan.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40829777.html:

Apogee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686899#Comment_118686899

Perhaps unsurprisingly, this has been appealed to ABP:

Plans for a major new port facility on the site of the former Irish Fertiliser Industries plant at Marino Point in Cork Harbour have been put on hold following objections from local residents.

Two appeals have been lodged with An Bord Pleanála against the recent decision of Cork County Council to grant planning permission for the construction of an agricultural fertiliser facility and development of the existing jetty at Marino Point to facilitate cargo vessels. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40830116.html

iColdFusion

A good chance anything not already on site in Cork will be shelved for the short to medium term, material costs going insane and the EU just banned Russian iron and steel imports worth 3.3billion a year to them, bound to drive up prices on top of everything else so projects that made sense even 6 months ago don't now.

snotboogie

I wonder if that is driving the slow pace at the prism?

ofcork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118795609#Comment_118795609

Seems to be nothing happening there everyday i pass.