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20% cut to fares for all public transport operators from April

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 firminjo


    Have students tickets been cut?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 firminjo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Amazing, and I'm glad I was wrong! Thanks for explanation! 👍🏼



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Fizzy Duck


    It would be nice if there was better enforcement to stop adults using child leap card on the validator. I try to call them back when I realise they are under paying. In my opinion all child leap card should be photo ID, this may help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭vafankillar



    it's a difficult one, i dont think i'd feel comfortable with children having their name & photo on leap cards that workers in shops would have access to each time they top up. i dont even think it's even great for college people, especially women.

    I work in a shop & my female co-workers used to have their full name on their work tag but had to get them removed cos customers they barely knew/don't know were tracking them down on social media to add them as friends / hit on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,889 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Very few people top up Leap cards in shops, though. Luas/Irish Rail TVMs and smartphone apps would make up most of the volume as well as auto topup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    i dont think anyone working in a shop with a leap card machine would agree that very few people top up leap cards there. it's probably the most commonly used payzone bill/top up feature for our place anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    I'd say, that we need many many more fare inspectors. They should go in groups of a few something between 3 to 5). Could even be a designated team branching off the public transport policing unit. They should have at least 10 groups as such with mini buses so they could disembark dodgy passengers and bring them to the mini bus parked at or very close to a bus stop and finish a paperwork. I haven't seen any of this practised in Ireland apart that once I was checked by a middle-aged sole inspector with a funny old-school British police type of hat. Looked ridiculous. Both, the uniform but also the fact that a group of teenagers could easily kiss the man's ass as he didn't seem to have any of self-defence tools, was alone and a uniform represented him being a butaforic figure, definitely didn't look as a security type of person (which could bring a bit of a safety feeling on board as while checking the tickets he can also see the passengers' socially unacceptable behaviour or even de-escalate spotting a possible antisocial behaviour. It didn't give me any confidence or safety using a PT in Ireland. And knowing fare inspectors are close to non-existend, I often thought myself I'm being a fool paying a full fare. However, I still do pay a full fare as I suppose to, whenever I occasionally use a PT.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    That's just being a bit sensationalist. They'd see so many cards that they really wouldn't be looking at the names. Do you share the same concern for women with Gym cards, supermarket cards, showing IDs to bouncers at nightclubs?

    If anything, your example shows that some obsessive customers were the problem. Not staff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Are private minibus licenses hard to get for a particular niche route?

    I use those small mini buses a lot when travelling across European countries, why don't we see them here? Cheap AtoB routes where there is little rail options. Is it red tape?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    They exist where the need exist. There’s loads of private bus operators



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    it's not sensationalist at all, our company no longer has customer names on loyalty cards/club cards for similar privacy reasons either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Fizzy Duck


    Bus drivers are hardly going to be reading them. If they use it on the validator nobody sees the name. It stops them being used by people who are defrauding the NTA and other fare paying passengers by paying the appropriate fare. Which probably leads to reduced investment in public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    They’re not going to have kids pictures on their leap cards for a variety of reasons with kids appearances changing constantly being just one of them

    As it happens, kids leap cards are different in colour to adults so easily spottable by anyone looking to make sure only children use them…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Careful_now!


    Young adult leap card being launched on Monday giving anyone under 23 a child fare!!

    The must have the "young adult" leap card to avail of the fare



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    a student leap card will also work for those under 24 still in college, just fyi. Also, it will be the student fare, not child fare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Fizzy Duck


    Yeah and I do spot them, stop them and charge the correct fare. But what I am trying to say is they should not be so easily attainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I used to top up on the app however in the last years the app so bad that it has become unusable for me meaning I've reverted back to using shops to top up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    they actually make a different beeping sound from the machine on the bus when you scan it, think it's twice rather than once for adult



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Correct. Two short and one long beep for a child or student card compared to one long beep for adult cards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    A lot of kids use this YouTube video instead. It's easy for the driver to spot, but I never called them back because (a) Not my job, (b) enough kids mindlessly throw €2 into the vault anyway, and (c) if they NTA cared about collecting fares, they'd have invested in functioning ticket machine equipment a long time ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    This guy in London started that I think must've expanded here since this was made. https://youtu.be/Uu7Z_pImZmE

    Agreed the driver is employed to drive the bus not as revenue protection. If the NTA really cared about their fare revenue they'd employ a similar amount of revenue protection officers on the bus as there already is on the Luas.

    Post edited by mikeybhoy on


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    "If the NTA really cared about their fare revenue they'd employ a similar amount of revenue protection officers on the bus as there already is on the Luas."

    They should do this, but if they do, they should fully embrace the Luas model.

    3 to 4 doors on the bus, entry/exit via any door, zero driver interaction.

    Just like Luas and many bus services on continental Europe. This approach would focus on making the bus service as fast and efficient as possible, rather then being all focused on the maximum fare protection in a poor manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    And then you wonder why in an average bus trip in Dublin, about a third of the trip time is dwell time at stops 😶



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    It would be a good idea but the longer articulated and tri axle buses used in some places on the continent would be quite akward for some of the tighter parts of Dublin.

    One that annoys me about these fare reductions is that the cash fares have been included in the reductions why the hell is that. I thought they were trying to decentivise cash.

    While the reductions are great I think an opportunity has been missed to get rid of the short fare and cash completely making all fares €2 across the board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    you’re suggesting that a move wholly designed to help with the “cost of living” should have included removing the lowest fares?

    wow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    The short fare is for journies less than 3km honest question how many journeys under 3km can't be walked. Of course some might ask well how do the elderly/disabled manage and my answer to that would be most of them have free travel passes anyway. €2 is still fcuk all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    It literally doesn’t matter what you think. The only reason the government allowed this is to reduce prices. Everything else is immaterial



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,491 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    As I pointed out before, private buses are at a loss and the move could be breaching EU competition rules:

    “The decision to actively exclude private operators from this scheme unconscionably distorts the market, and enables State-funded services to engage in a monopoly, by offering the type of discounts that family-owned, private transport companies could never compete with. Simply put, this decision risks putting hundreds of operators out of business. The solution is straightforward – the Department of Transport must seek to include commercial bus operators in the 20% fare reduction scheme as a matter of grave urgency. Ultimately, the cost of including private operators in the scheme is inconsequential, when you consider the financial repercussions of a diminished private bus network and the environmental consequences of a mass return to private, single-occupancy vehicles among disenfranchised rural commuters.”




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