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20% cut to fares for all public transport operators from April

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    there are a couple of different issues being mixed up into 1 which mean the claim of rural passengers being penalized is not true.

    first of all bus eireann don't just operate in the cities, they operate plenty of rural routes as well, probably most of them really.

    in addition to that, presumably all other PSO bus operators are subject to the fare decrease.

    secondly, passengers on non-PSO operated routes unfortunately will have to pay full fares, there isn't anything the government really can do about that, it has to be on those operators to decide if viable to drop fares, and of course bus eireann expressway can't avail of the decrease unless they do it commercially dispite it being 1 company and the integration of it's services was of benefit to passengers, probably the only thing CIE have ever done in terms of integration of anything.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    When this happens public transport fares will be close to a normal level. Remember that we have some of Europe's most expensive fares. Also fares here will be significantly cheaper than they are in the North, where wages are very low.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Bus Éireann, LocalLink and online InterCity fares will be reduced by 20% on Monday. The rest will be reduced next month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Just to be absolutely clear from Monday, the 20% fare cut applies to all fares on the following:

    • Bus Éireann PSO routes (not Expressway services)
    • Bus Éireann town and city services
    • GoAhead regional commuter routes between Dublin and Kildare & Offaly (routes 120, 125, 126, 130 and variants of same)
    • TFI Local Link services
    • TFI route 139 (Naas-Blanchardstown)
    • TFI route 197 (Ashbourne-Swords)
    • TFI route 817 (Kilkenny-Dublin)
    • TFI route 975 (Granard-Longford)
    • TFI Kilkenny city services
    • Iarnród Éireann web fares (excluding cross-border services)

    The 20% fare reduction already applies to all monthly and annual tickets bought via www.taxsaver.ie

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,562 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    That last paragraph is a nasty jib at those of us whose employers don't do taxsaver. We paid full price for our monthly tickets. 😞



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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No tickets needed for bikes there B, you should look into it 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    All PSO monthly and annual tickets are reducing in price by 20%, be they via Taxsaver or not.

    Bus Éireann should change from Monday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,562 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Most people buy their monthly ticket before the month starts, so they can use it during the first week.

    Taxsaver tix sold during March were at the reduced price.

    Regular ones weren't: I still have the receipt for mine, which I paid full price for on 28-March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    As I said - it should change from Monday.

    The whole thing is being done in phases so there will be people who won’t benefit straight away at each phase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Again DB are being lazy and feeding us with excuses...

    https://www.thejournal.ie/fare-reductions-5733025-Apr2022/?utm_source=facebook_short



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Think that is a bit harsh, the machines are based on technology that is approx. 30 years old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    In the normal course of events they would have eight weeks notice to do this - this really isn't any more than that.

    The public announcement was just far earlier than usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Do we know when these ticket machines are going to be changed? I think a contract hasn't been signed with a supplier yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The next generation ticketing was lumped in with the bus connects infrastructure business case so they are able to press on with that now, not sure if a supplier has been picked yet though. Even then, it will be a few years until it will be fully implemented as I believe the NTAs plan is to gradually move to the new system in stages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Tender to be awarded in 2023 and implementation in 2024 was the last indication I saw. As above the delay in government approving the outline business case has not helped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭blackbox


    This is very unfair unless they subsidise private operators to the same extent.

    Imagine if you had a shop that was giving you a basic income and the government decided to open one next door but were giving 20% off everything, subsidised by taxpayers.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    None of the publicly funded companies commercially operated services are included in this policy so it's not really a valid point.

    The services that are getting this discount are those which are deemed as public service obligation and don't directly compete with commercial operators.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    What will be the new standard leap bus fare in Dublin be with the 20% reduction? The €2.30 leap fare will reduce to what?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    They haven't published it yet. But I wouldn't take any % reduction directly. It's mainly been used previously to advertise the reduction across all the fares, not individual fares.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    €2. On the basis that the current €2.30 is actually €2.50 reduced to €2.30 for a promotional period. It's cheeky but technically true. It was supposed to go up to €2.50 in March but wasn't raised given the imminent reduction.

    I'm hearing that they don't actually want to raise it to €2.50 in 2023 but there's a lot of politics to be played between now and the end of the year.

    Student and young adult fares will be €1.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Thanks for that Peregrine.

    I think €2 is more than a fair fare (excuse the pun!). It would be my experience, that that is getting close to EU averages and ahead of some places. I really never thought the day that I could practically travel across Dublin for 90 minutes with a free transfer for €2 and then head home on my bus which is a 24 hour route. Finally getting somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭B2021M


    I notice on the Dublin Bus fares website the price of a 30 day rambler is now showing as 132 Euro (down from the usual 165).

    Does anyone know if they are already on sale with the reduction applied? I presume no adjustment to the machines is needed as it just deducts a 'day' when validated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    If we get enforcement of bus lanes next year, we'll also gain a degree of journey time reliability. I'd say we'll just about have an average European bus service, astounding when you look at how primitive it was only 10 years ago. Credit where due.

    Dublin's lack of rail coverage remains a major issue and will do even after DART+ and the long fabled metrolink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    seems you'd need to be using the bus a lot to justify buying a rambler now, I assume it was mainly used previously by people who had to change buses?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭B2021M


    Well that works out at 4.40 Eur a day for unlimited travel? What makes that so hard to justify?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    When does the DART reduction kick in? 1st of May?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    because for a regular commuter (probably 95%+ of paying passengers) it's only €4 a day to pay on Leap with the reduced fares. Rambler is only value for someone making a 3rd distinct trip on some days. Previously (at least before the 90-minute fare was introduced) the rambler was useful for anyone who had to change buses as part of their commute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭B2021M


    Thats fair enough but I was referring to people who make numerous trips in a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭B2021M


    Llllllllll

    Plus I was trying to point out that it looks like the rambler fares have already been reduced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I'm sure there are still people for whom it's a useful product, but it's much more niche that it was before.



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