Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

In my previous post i had overlooked the "Poland invaded Germany" assertion from Tooka. This, as 28064212, says is a flat-out lie. In fact it's just about the most brazen and total lie that I have ever come across. No-one should take anything which this contributor says seriously ever again

Hi folks - i switched on the 'Ignore' setting for tooka a while ago- that said it is possible to see his posts in quotes - i concur obviously with both of you - a shambolic lie - the widely known False Flag incident that @28064212 mentioned was used as a justification for Germany Attacking Poland - but factually Poland DID NOT INVADE GERMANY

As for Tooka - i can only recommend ignoring him. I found it tough on a few occasions to do so. Given that what he posts makes my blood boil (my blood approached spontaneous fission at one point). The above claim RE Poland Germany is just the latest in a long line of falsehoods he has posted for quite a while.

I dont want to seem OTT - or risk being snipped/cautioned - but i have begun to flag the more heinous and vile postings - in the hope of attracting some attention RE mods - But i do have to advise you both not to respond to him/her. I know its tough but - if tooka has his way, this thread will devolve into everyone refuting the latest nonsense that he/she digs up. I feel a number of posters have given up thanks to Tooka (among a few notable others) -

Anyway - Thats all i can say - im happy to debate facts/valid-opinions/POV's with any and all -

thanks :~)

im 40-45 myself.

To be honest @Nordner i begin to see less point in addressing these arguments. BTW age difference has absolutely nothing to do with our opposing views - nothing what so ever

I put it to you that - your negative view of US behavior in the Cold War, and post cold war periods - blinds you to the obvious disparity between their actions, and those of Russia. There is really nothing to compare here. I encourage you to try? If you wish? I mean that honestly btw, im not baiting you.

I wont attempt to explain the difference, or highlight the enormous gap that exists between "Biden, Boris, Macron or any of the current crop of soulless... et al" - and their autocratic counterparts.

Frankly i am stuck between doubting my own ability to make the point to you, and doubting your ability to see it clearly. And i genuinely mean no offense by that. In every post i sense a genuine mistrust/anger over USFP - i believe you need to step back - and compare the two sides. Acknowledge the gap. Visualize the difference. Brush up on history too (Il say this you mention VietNam - which you probably see as 'black and white' - its not - read an unbiased historical book on this - or watch the Docu series linked below - harrowing btw - but worth a watch)

If we color code conflicts, almost every one, that you mention - could be painted as grey.

Russia invading the Ukraine? IS BLACK AND WHITE. I put it to you again, your justifiable anger at the US is clouding your thinking - and you are equivocating

In our posts, i listed lots of examples of this. I mentioned ways to conceptualize these conflicts, to allow a more accurate comparison. I did this @Nordner in genuine good faith. I view you as having a great deal of knowledge, and someone who is very passionate too! But i cannot change your thinking on this. All i can do, is point out that your thinking is flawed in my view

I will of course reply, but i am not gonna respond with long examples and metaphors anymore - i doubt you have taken the time to fully read/understand the points i was trying to make to you.

That said - happy to reply - ALSO PLEASE NOTE - given the behavior of other posters (not naming anyone but if you have read the thread, you will know who i mean) - i just wanna state clearly that i do not view you as a Bad Faith poster - and i think its important to say that - in my view anyway. we just utterly disagree on things and thats ok i guess

Take care - happy to chat

:~) Liamo

Russians just regrouping and calling up more armour and artillery from across their vast country (videos appearing on twitter of this happening).

I wouldn't trust a thing they say.

Il certainly give those links a look and reply after that. bit under the weather tonight so will probably respond in a day or two

Thanks for the reply @Nordner - good to discuss and debate

The National Socialists of Germany and Communist Russia jointly invaded Russia, splitting it down the middle as planned.

That's the problem with relationships were both sides are so alike. The relationship breakdown is awful.

Get well soon mate. Everyone out my way is riddled with Covid including the kids...again.....just a matter of time before I get it myself I suppose!

Good luck

Define nato checked.

How can ukraine be neutral while they face threat's from Putin ,if anything they should be pushing ahead with eu and NATO membership ,they have already embarrassed Putin and embarrassed the whole of the Russian military ,but then again those of us who follow such things have rediculed the Russian military for the last 10+ years .

The problem with that is the nuclear threat that’s always hanging over everything.