sick of propping up non performing farms

Ireland is actually deemed the most food secure country in the world - look up the GFSI index. "The index has Ireland as the number one country for food security, with it ranking well across the four criteria of affordability, availability, quality and safety, and natural resources and resilience." Other countries like America are unable to suppress the prices of nutritious foods, and people simply cant afford them as a result and must turn to cheap and highly processed foods instead, increasing rates of obesity, anaemia, etc. Other countries like Singapore just import everything, and the flaws in that system were glaringly highlighted with covid. A key facet of it is affordability - and at the prices fruit, veg, milk, and meat are available in supermarkets no farmer could ever hope to make a living out of it. Aside from the finances, farmers are subsidied to carry out ecosystem services and for stewardship of the land - because everyone wants our natural heritage of rabbits, birds and trees etc looked after but few people actually do anything to support them on a wide scale. Subsidies are going to be greater linked to these kind of environmental activities in the next few years.

Sorry but the only one incorrect is yourself. For someone that supposedly works in construction you must be the “go-for” as your knowledge of contracts seems to be limited

There is a “clause 36” that allows for increases (or decreases) in agreed contract prices to allow for abnormal circumstances such as the delays and wage increases seen in the past 18 months. This clause allows contractors increase the contract price to compensate for this.

There is also a clause 38 which is for what’s classed as “force majure” circumstances. The COVID delays would also fall into this category in certain circumstances so again agreed and signed contract prices can be altered.

Farmers don’t have that option and can only take the price they are given on the day. To translate that into construction prices would mean the builder would have to buy all the materials, build the house and then hand the customer the key when it’s ready to move into. The customer would then pay the price that they see fit to and the builder has to just accept that price.

Out of interest did u collect children's allowance for Ur kids, or did u not want to be a burden either and support them urself ,

I don't understand how people are still not getting it in this day and age...it's breathtaking the lack of knowledge people have about their food supply and farming in general

subsidies exist for one reason only....keep food cheap so people don't go hungry...because what happens when people go hungry? revolutions and wars happen...people get their heads chopped off. look at the reason for most uprisings and conflicts in just the last few years.

if you as a consumer had to pay the correct amount for the steak or veg in your local supermarket, one that wasn't subsidised, you'd be dumbfounded. but don't worry, that's never gonna happen because no government in their right minds would ever allow it to.

plus you have to take into account global trade agreements...we agree to buy feed from other countries and they agree to buy our produce...thats what globalisation does... and up to now it probably has suited ok because one country is probably better suited to producing certain foodstuffs over others...but now the chains are breaking down so it's leading to an uncertain future...i still don't think people havve a clue what is staring them down the line in the next 12-18 months.

ireland is not really suitable for growing grains for flour quality...we can't even grow the correct potato varieties for chip manufacturers...at the same time, we're paving and cementing over the most fertile and only real horticultural zone in north co dublin...because people want houses close to the city.

You're about 20 years behind there. Read up on for a thing called "decoupling"

I'll never not be shocked at the general public's ignorance when it comes to farming and how food is made. It doesn't help that its been explained multiple times to toddler levels in this thread but people still can't understand or grasp the basic concepts of subsidising an industry that benefits the EU by being on its knees.

I am no way pro-war/pandemic but the growing dangers to food security are a well needed shake up. I look forward to future moaning threads about mince being €12/kg, milk €4/L and €5 a loaf for inedible Irish grain bread when farmers get paid properly for their produce.

No you’re wrong. Them clauses are regularly written out of contracts by poorly organised contractors who either don’t understand how their contracts work or who can’t depend on the quality of their previous work to get the contract they are pricing so they eliminate them clauses as a sweetener to get the job.

Idiots is what they’d be more commonly referred to and if you are dealing with them things every day and you don’t understand how them clauses work then I’m afraid that’s the category you fall into also. The contracts without them clauses would be the “back of the matchbox” contracts, the proper professionals who understand the contracts have the clauses in place.

You be best off learning how to do your own job instead of trying to start arguments online on topics you’re poorly educated on.

You’re knowledge of tractors appears to be as poor as your knowledge of construction.

It’s time to find a new hobby I’d say as your not getting on too well with your current one of trying to put people down on an anonymous forum. Maybe take up reading, that way you might find some good books on construction or machinery that will help you to educate yourself. You never know, you might win the next argument then.

You know the saying about arguing with a fool lads.

I wonder what the price of a steak or an egg or a litre of milk would be without subs throughout Europe?

On the back of a fag packet....With everything else remaining the same price (which undoubtedly it wouldn't)

A 100acre medium quality land suckler to beef farm to support a family should take in 50k profit( average industrial wage + asset value). Atm it probably does 10000 profit. And an average cap sub of 10000. So to make up the shortfall its profit would have to increase by 500%. So beef at the factory has for a very long time been hovering around 4/kg. That would go to 20/kg.

Grain/sheep/pig ..almost everything else would have to rise in a similar fashion.

Milk is a different kettle of fish. Probally only a doubling.

Before major farm subs ...1960's , after people paid their rent food was the big expense. Accounting for 1/3 of their budget (and that was basic food...not mark and spencers).

I can buy my weekly food ..healthy nutritional etc. for 20 quid in the supermarket.....thats less than 2hrs work in the worst paying job. You can't have it both ways.

You do realise it’s farmers that grow the grain as well?

Most of those that got it weren't on the front line no more than the farmers, typical civil/public service effort for doing what was their job. they were doing no more than farmers do this time of year EVERY year. shop workers were more on the front line than any medics.

Typical Irish civil service effort...... public disservice again ..