Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

It was a knee jerk reaction to give pedestrians more space when the park was busy (which it never is according to this thread) during the lockdown and they made some comment about safety.

Since the park was mostly closed to cars and/or parking at the time parking was irrelevant. The decision to remove parking permanently came after.

Though they've closed various parts of the Ave to cars before.

Actually I already stated as a cyclist I was only too happy to see new cycle lanes. All I said was the car parks can be full now and it could be better managed.

Now you've created a load of strawman arguments rather than have reasoned discussion. Clothing is your own sensitivity nothing to do with me.

Feel free to quote my posts around my objections to people fashion choices you imagine to be there.

Which Grand Prix :)

A regular speed trap would slow things right down.

That's a catch 22, which I suspect you know (not without your own bias perhaps :) ). We don't keep proper accident statistic on cycling accidents, or injuries. They are both massively under reported but also mis-reported by merging hospital data with other stats. So an accident off road will be presented as on road cycling in some stats. Which will then be misreported in the media. That's why there a giant thread of cycling reporting in the media. Whereas there a lot of more reporting of accidents with cars. So its not similar comparison.

I didn't say all cyclists. I said "some" cyclists. Someone asked about speed. I just quoted the text of the fixed penalty fine, as thats how its phrased. Regardless itts not about speed, its about appropriate speed. Someone mentioned some people treat it like a race track I only agreed, that being my experience.

How on earth is anyone meant to answer for you. Only you can do that. I certainly don't feel the need to defend bad drivers or cyclists, and I don't associate myself with either group. If you want to identify with or defend "all drivers or cyclists" thats nothing to do with my comments.

if you have links to good quality data on accidents stats in the Park, please share. There are self reported stats, which are not that useful.

How about a obstacle course to get into the park. if you can't get over it, you can't use the park.

More like you've no data for your bias. Least I proved a link to a study, you provided diddly.

Faster then me on the bike, around 15kmph, faster than cars on the road doing around 30kmph. I think that excessive on a cycle/footpath passing other cyclists (and pedestrians) with no margin for error. Faster then me in the car.

I didn't refer to drivers inappropriate speed because we were talking about cyclists. I'm not defending drivers. That's a false equivalence.

The argument here is that the park is for people walking around, family, children. These even closed roads to facilitate this. Somewhat contradictory we have no problem with high speed cycling through the same pedestrians, families and children, or tourists on leisurely cycle. No bias there at all.

Obviously struck a nerve with this one. We'll see a 5% jump in Strava times this evening.

But no matter what they do inside the park, I am not keen on cycling the short distance from the Halfway house to the Ashtown Gate, especially with kids.

LOL.

I suggest you a new thread on needy entitled wheelchair users. Bound to be popular.