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What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

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    #2162
    [Deleted User]
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    As bad as things are, remember, they can always get worse.............

    https://twitter.com/root_nomad/status/1497254180108570633?s=20&t=0BNhWOmDAeo6MdOwSAm-QQ



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    #2163
    jimmy G M
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    Got 21,000 gals of pig slurry delivered today (3x lorry tanker loads) mixed into aprox 30,000 gals of cattle slurry. No charge from piggery just pay the contractor - 3 hours work aprox, dunno how much yet for that?... €300? With a ton of 18.6.12 costing in the region of €750, the pig slurry @ 25.5.20 for 1,000 gals must be worth €800?



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    #2164
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,118 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118692506#Comment_118692506

    We’re in unchartered times now though …I wouldn’t be whinging it or calling a rep or suppliers bluff on fertiliser atm



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    #2165
    patnor1011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Isn't there enough seaweed all around Ireland? Maybe it is a time to get some investment in this field as it may be a win win situation with domestic produce, jobs and all that modern green stuff....



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    #2166
    Morris Moss
    Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Morris Moss


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118692552#Comment_118692552

    I don't expect it to go down anyway, but the justification for a price rise isn't their either, I'm 10 mins from a few very big suppliers and genuinely I've never seen the yards as full, in a couple of months it could all be different, but as of now if it does rise it's on the back of greed and uncertainty.



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    #2167
    DBK1
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    CAN €700, Urea €900, 19-0-15+S €740.

    Delivery next week, payment before Easter.

    I’ll work out what I can get away with for the season and order in the morning.



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    #2168
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,500 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118693476#Comment_118693476

    Western European fertilizer use is small on a global scale.


    The biggest European fertilizer company is a bit player globally.


    China and Russia control a majority of the fertilizer industry.


    The yards might be full locally but the pressure globally is one way.



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    #2169
    Birdnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118693206#Comment_118693206

    That a helluva deal in these times - Hopefully increasing input prices will lead to a much better appreciation and utilization of slurry across the board



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    #2170
    Birdnuts
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118691495#Comment_118691495

    Due to idiotic energy policies in the last 10 years(same as here🙄), Germany is now massively dependent on Russian gas supplies to keep the lights on so is in no position to do anything in this area



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    #2171
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    Ireland and wider Europe need to look at continental solutions around energy, fertiliser and food.

    Authoritarian regimes that cannot be trusted can’t be relied upon for essentials. European based alternatives are essential.

    Europe should get focused on energy and food security.

    Invading a country after the head man and his local diplomat saying this wasn’t going to happen. Mad stuff.



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    #2172
    Hard Knocks
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118693206#Comment_118693206

    Are you putting the mix on meadows or grazing



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    #2173
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,953 ✭✭✭alps


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118694310#Comment_118694310

    The solutions should have been put in place before the plug was pulled on carbon emitting sources.

    Utterly daft to have put in to leglislation, penal laws and regulations, that will cripple industries and households, withoit viable and affordable alternatives.

    Incapables...

    How many of them do you think could organise and operate a farm yard through spring time?



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    #2174
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,624 ✭✭✭straight


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118696637#Comment_118696637

    I wouldn't trust them with a dead pig....



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    #2175
    jimmy G M
    Registered Users Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭jimmy G M


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118694776#Comment_118694776

    2500 gals of slurry on silage ground and follow with a bag &1/2 of CAN per acre. Have aprox 80,000 gals of slurry to go out now. Only closing 35 acres this years as we have lots of silage left over. A bag of CAN or 18.6.12 on the remainder of grazing ground. Thats it. No more manure being bought here.



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    #2176
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,274 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118694160#Comment_118694160

    Ya Slurry is an often underappreciated nutrient. However you have to have the organic capacity to import it, this effects your nitrates allowance.

    If you import 1k gallons of pug slurry it's about 18-20 kgs organic N if I remember right. There fore 20k gallons is about 400kgs or equivalent to the nitrates of about 7 in no of 1-2 year old cattle got 12 months

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118696637#Comment_118696637

    Nothing is ever imposed politically until it has to be. The evil day is always left as long as possible. Solutions cost money and again are left to the last minute.

    It the same with households nobody spends money until there is no other choice. Housing regulations were put off in this way in the noughties as it was too much of an impact. Because off that ten years of house building was at a lower standard than it should have been.

    All these facts have been staring us in the face for the last ten years but we decided to ignore them. In 2-5 years time when calf exports are banned you will have lads cribbing and crying. Look at the cribbing and crying over the EU calf and incalf cow rules. Remember the cry of upward only convergence.

    It up to any business to be aware of what is happening around it. Too many lads running around without acknowledging what is happening.

    Nobody like change to be successful you have to manage it and adapt with it. I would not for a minute not acknowledge that these changes have been telegraphed for the last few years. But most are unwilling to be aware of them.

    It was plough on it will not happen and someone else can cut back.

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #2177
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,953 ✭✭✭alps


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118697839#Comment_118697839

    And you've weaned youself off of fossil fuels? Fair play..



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    #2178
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,274 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118698516#Comment_118698516

    No I have not, but I have put my system and house in a way that at present it is manageable. I will continue with this as time goes on.

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #2179
    Hard Knocks
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    Is superphosphate still around?



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    #2180
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118696637#Comment_118696637

    Yes. No way should an entire continent be dependent on one source for nearly half its gas.

    Seven odd hundred a ton for fertiliser seems mad but will it be even worse next year.



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    #2181
    ruwithme
    Registered Users Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    Maybe it was like basic foods for too long. " cheap " .if any good comes off expensive fertiliser now, it will be a better appreciation of slurry from stock of all types & more careful & considered application of it & fertilisers & less off a hurry to get it spread before the rain at times.

    I'm thinking the margin growing at the back of the ditch in a silage field will be more visible this year, when it comes to mowing time.



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    #2182
    Dunedin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118699207#Comment_118699207

    Wouldn’t necessarily disagree but unfortunately weather and storage space dictate a lot of the time so it’s near on impossible to get the right time to spread.



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    #2183
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,624 ✭✭✭straight


    Pasture sward +S. 825 euro.



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    #2184
    whelan2
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    Bought a lorry load of cut sward today .



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    #2185
    Young95
    Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Young95


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118708243#Comment_118708243

    How much per tonne?



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    #2186
    whelan2
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    840. Delivered. Was a cheaper one for 820



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    #2187
    whelan2
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    Well if you don't put out fertiliser you'll have nothing. I was afraid of there being no fertiliser available when I normally buy in early April. Have 3.5 tonnes of fertiliser in the shed that I bought last August. Hopefully that's me done for the year



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    #2188
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710743#Comment_118710743

    Depending on what lads are spreading and output etc could be around the 6c/ L mark if bought at this years prices. Ration up around 50 to 75% as well. Milk price is up but isn't rising at the rates of inputs



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    #2189
    yosemitesam1
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    Whats the general plan for the next few years with lads? Hope inputs fall, farmgate prices rise or change something?



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    #2191
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710806#Comment_118710806

    Hard to know. Loans to pay and investment to make, have taken on extra ground so reduced sr for now but will have higher costs getting things up to speed in first 2 years anyway. However may allow more clover to be put in at home faster, still skeptical on heavier land and clover use particularly when calving in Feb. See a lot of lads with pics of cows out full-time etc, grand on land like that, if I'm an hour or 2 late or if rain comes and they start walking, fields don't be long turning.

    If I didn't have debt and investment requirements things may be different but pulling back or changing things drastically could be even more of a risk



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