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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,213 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Yep and do you not agree some of that was brought on by broken promises by our leaders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I agree. The extreme and sudden chopping and changing in rules, the whole decree system, the constant reversals of plans to lift lockdown were anxiety-inducing and a poor way of handling things.

    Especially since all the measures were/are of doubtful use anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    You have just described a typical profile of those who lobbied for the zero covid, lockdown, flatten the curve etc. strategy. Those guys actually are coming out of this better and wealthier (their properties are worth more now than before the pandemic).

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭Croohur1


    Why did you use the 200k number if it was irrelevant? Just curious.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    It is very typical of the pandemic response, you must admit.

    We all know the masks are useless against Omicron.

    We all know that NPHET have said they can go.

    We all know that government are going to let them go.

    But lets all wait another couple of weeks anyway, because thats just how things work around here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Have my new t-shirts printed😀


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    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    He probably meant 120,000 ?

    Apologies for the length,but it's important to be fair to the metaphorical Professor...

    “The best metaphor I can think of is the Spanish Flu mixed up with the Irish Civil War which was 100 years ago mixed up with the 1929 stock market crash — altogether at the same time,” he said.

    “The worst case scenario I said before was a 20 per cent attack rate on the population and that 20 per cent of five million is one million people with a two per cent mortality.

    “I was quoted saying 20,000 deaths potentially at that time. That was the worst-case scenario and now unfortunately we’ve ratcheted up.

    “Things are actually worse now than they were when we look at what happened in Italy and China and other countries.

    “Our best case scenario we’ve passed. So our best case scenario was that it would look like a regular flu.

    "My median scenario is that we’d have a 20 per cent attack rate and 20,000 deaths.

    “We normally have 30,000 deaths in a year in this country so that’s almost two thirds of the year’s deaths all in one epidemic.

    “Worst case scenario is potentially up to an 80 per cent attack rate — that’s four million and again the two per cent death rate which could even be three or four per cent because a lot of the people in China haven’t recovered yet.

    “So it could be two or three per cent of those four million people will die — that’s 80,000 to 120,000 deaths.”

    It's important also to review these things,in order to allow everybody,even professionals to...reflect ?....

    Total Deaths: 6373

    Total Confirmed: 6079

    Total with underlying conditions : 5270

    Relevance ?....I dunno...suppose it's up to yourself really ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Lads, one weeks and we are fully back to normal.

    Let's just enjoy and ignore the ones trying to drag it out when longer or stir the preverbial ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I've been done with the masks for weeks now anyway



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    You mean that the situation with Covid actually changed over time? No way, I don’t believe you!

    You mean when the rate of infection varied and subsequent diagnosis, treatment and vaccination and other various measures changed or were adapted? Fcuk that, we can't be having that type of fluidity at all!

    Let's all instead demand a permanent state of affairs where nothing changes despite the world being faced with a once in a lifetime pandemic. That should show 'em!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Covid policy has been largely governed by the public opinion poll, which is a terrible way of sampling the public opinion, because it is impulsive and narrow. It is one reason why countries don’t have rule by direct democracy and instead have parliamentary system, which normally allows for taking a long term view, second thoughts and allows for consideration of multiple of factors.

    What we have had during the pandemic is that politicians colluded with so called experts and media, and scared the public into compliance. Then they sampled public opinion that was terrified by misinformation only to discover (surprise, surprise) that people supported more mandates. And away they went. The more misinformation, the more terrified the public, and the more mandates introduced.

    It is not surprising to see that people are reluctant to let the masks go. This misinformation-terrify the public-more mandates cycle went on for months and so reversing this process will take years I’d say. Wearing mask and social isolation are means that every individual can apply in their own environment and I would expect that a lot of those people who have been warned that they are vulnerable and therefore at risk will continue to apply those measures long after all mandates are gone.

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    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,213 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭prunudo


    As we come into the final week of legally being made to wear masks, those clinging onto them should remember that we all went shopping for months in 2020 without them and we coped just fine.

    Will be interesting to see how long the perspex screens stay up. Will finally be able to properly hear the sales assistant again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    After the mandate is lifted those clinging onto the masks will be a good indication as to how many people have been made scared and terrified by the government, ‘experts’ and media. We will see how big of a problem this is.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    What's with all these quotes at the end of posts. Is this a new thing on boards. Seems a bit naff to me but each to their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Masks check ✔

    Scared check ✔

    Clinging check ✔

    Mask Moan Bingo Check ✔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney


    Do you know the official reason why mask usage was mandated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    To placate all the covid worrying, do-gooder, virtue signalling, curtain twitchers who take their masks off in the pub but will force you to wear one at work the next day perhaps?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Playing mask moan bingo as well!

    Another totally and utterly obsessed with curtains and people who might twitch them. What happens when these people don't have curtains?

    Fromyour comment I can only presume you have someone in your life that that is so mean to you, that they deliberately taunt you by taking off their mask in the pub in front of you (where they don't have to wear one tbf), hold you down and then Force you wear one while you're working? Your boss, your ma?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭timmymagoo


    As all the measures are wound down the reality is many people are upset at this as the pandemic measures suit them and their lifestyle

    work from home, public sector union power grabs, pc wokey nonsense given oxygen

    the reality is the last 2 years has been a complete disgrace that has affected the poorer and young in our society. We chose to protect the wealthy and old over children and society will pay this within a generation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Moaning is what I do best, closely followed up by standing too close to people in queues, breathing on them 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No you don't but I find answers tend to propose solutions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    You might want to take a look at how much of a crank you've become yourself about masks. There's the NPHET advice, a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday and an end date. I think that works fine for most people but keep up the outrage if you want. Shopping this morning and nobody seemed to be too bothered to throw off their masks, it's just what we do now but we won't be doing it come Monday week. More interested in looking ahead to plans for the year than masks now I know they are going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That's grand. Personally I think yet another delay after 18 months of them (when it became clear in the summer of 2020 who in the population was ACTUALLY at potentially significant risk) is too long.

    The fact that so many seem to be declaring that it's too soon, cases are still high etc and now want to ignore the NPHET advice they've been brow-beating others with over the last 2 years (I think a previous poster had it right that it's more about losing their WFH lifestyles in some cases as well) means that it's even more important we move out of the restrictions and attending coverage quickly and fully so that these people will hopefully start to relax and rejoin normal society. The mental health impact of all this can't be ignored.

    But ultimately I was replying to your post about "processes to follow" as well (hence the delay) which is just factually wrong. It could all be reversed and undone Tuesday night (or even last night if they'd wanted). Presumably Micheal and Co think that giving the "concerned" types another week to get used to the idea will help whereas in fact it's likely the opposite will happen as the Big Day gets closer!



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