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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Superficially nothing. However if you even interrogate the idea at any depth public health felt that in a pub setting that with the consumption of alcohol that adherence to the public health measures would be reduced.

    The measure must also be considered in the context of the overall goals of the restrictions. The idea was to reduce the number of contacts that everyone had. While the measures may have seemed arbitrary, the idea was that not all contacts have equal value. It was obvious that industries that were less important to the overall functioning of the country were closed for the longest in order to keep contacts suppressed. IE pubs were closed so schools could open.

    This shouldn't need to be explained to you, this was discussed in depth for months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    There isn't one. The Western world tossed out decades of virology and epidemiology planning to run with China-style lockdowns as soon as they realised they could "get away with it" (Neil Ferguson), and public health officials and governments flew by the seat of their pants the rest of the way. Post-hoc rationale is now being laid over recent history because the bills need paying, the collateral damage is being revealed, the inquiries are coming—and the fallout will not be pretty.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    More likely to catch it in an uncontrolled setting, so they closed the controlled settings and pushed people into uncontrolled settings. Thats NPHET for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭TalleyRand83


    Yeah I wouldn't get too carried away with the announcement like it proves all criticism wrong (setting aside nutty Conspiracy theorists) although maybe he's so amazingly good he can lead up the revolution so sorely needed for the shambles that is the money pit HSE?

    Personally, I think Gov leaders have been slowly developing a spine and told him they'll be taking the lead so he has decided to bow out on "his terms"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    You’re dead right, it was discussed in depth and anybody with even an ounce of sense came to the conclusion that it was absolute nonsense and no amount of mental gymnastics from the likes of you will change that. That was one of the most important things we learned from the whole mess was the amount of people in this country that will believe almost ANYTHING de man on de Telly tells them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    There's loads of people out there terrified cos of the millions that died from COVID

    That's the biggest scam

    And then there's all the COVID window dressing and woke bullsh1t that sprung up during this so-called crisis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Mental gymnastics? The point of all the restrictions on socialisation was to reduce the number of contacts. There is an argument about the fairness of the measures but the simple fact is the €9 requirement resulted in the closure of half of pubs. This consequently reduced socialisation. And no, not everyone went to house parties instead. Most just didn't go out.

    If we learned anything, is that there are a cohort of people out there that believe that the government is out to get them and that they are incapable understanding policy at any level - no matter how much it's explained to them. What they will take and accept though are glib Facebook posts by people with an agenda. oh they have it right...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I wouldn't call it ' policy '

    That word implies some strategic thinking which governments here don't really do

    They navigated a crisis reasonably competently and followed the other sheep nations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You were less likely to be falling about the place off your head if you were forced to buy a €9 meal and be out in 1h45m. Also you were less likely to go on a pub crawl. Sadly you were more likely to go to a house party after the pub, at 11 o clock etc etc

    Back in May 2020 NPHET wanted restaurants to open but the govt pushed ahead with the €9 meal in any pub to appease publicans. In hindsight they might have not delayed the reopening of pubs 3 weeks later (6 weeks, 9 weeks, 12 weeks etc etc) if the govt stuck to the plan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Judging by these comments by Martin it's likely masks will be here until 28th, but we'll see on Tuesday.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    So according to this article in the Independent - young people who were vaccinated and then caught Omicron are going to be coerced into taking boosters for a Wuhan strain of the virus with a big publicity campaign starting next Month….after recovering from the recent strain….how does this make sense?

    I don’t agree with getting rid of PCR testing options for people until the EU Covid Cert rules are dropped. Provide ways for people to show they’ve recovered as agreed at EU level.

    “People whose Covid infection was confirmed via antigen testing face issues in getting recovery certs for international travel:


    “The Covid cert was designed at EU level, and only the PCR test is recognised for a recovery cert. Antigen doesn’t cut it. But we can’t change it because the whole operation of Covid certs was agreed originally at EU level.”

    The senior HSE source added to the Irish Independent: “Other countries took the same decision we did on antigens (when their PCR testing systems came under intolerable pressure).

    “Unfortunately it seems they (the people affected) have to wait until they get their booster.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    The real issue here is,yet again,the fortnight lead-in.

    It's a very clear issue.

    End the Mandates NOW.

    It's so simple that even Minister Eamon Ryan was able to grasp the principle earlier in the week...ASAP = NOW.

     

    Minister for the Environment Eamon Ryan has said the requirement for children to wear face masks in schools should be removed immediately and he hopes it can be done “straight away”.

    Instead,our media have,with barefaced cheek,begun a counter campaign for prolonging the agony....

    Thank God for mother nature !

    One can sense the absolute disappointment of the supposed Journalists in the flurry of so-called vox-pop's asking "their" readers to bemoan this new threat to their wellbeing....

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/to-resume-living-we-need-the-help-of-others-to-keep-us-safe-readers-on-face-mask-rules-1.4805453

    The real end to this stuff comes only when the Emergency Legislation is repealed,again should be happening TODAY,but instead we hear very little about this stuff being left silently ticking away,awaiting the next terrified Minister's dip into it's Total Power folder.

    In the meantime,I am going outside to tie my one remaining grubby piece of elastic & cloth to my Car Radio aerial,in the manner of a Jolly Roger....I may be quite sometime....😉


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    That is another coercive tactic to push more vaccines. This time however onto those who after having recovered have a better immunity than any vaccine can give. There is no medical need for this. Non-vaccinated recovered, vaccinated and recovered, and recovered and then vaccinated have the same level of protection. Immunity obtained through the natural infection still rocks. Even, or maybe especially, in the mRNA era.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The real issue here is,yet again,the fortnight lead-in.

    It's not a fortnight, it's a week on Monday and there is a process to follow and a Cabinet meeting to accept the advice. As irritating as they are they are one of the least onerous things we've had to put with. Most people can put up with another week of them and for those who can't there shouldn't be too much blowback in the likes of retail if they ditch them early.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    The "Media" would call us the "Great Unwashed"....

    The mass or multitude of ordinary people.

    "history shows that the great unwashed will only take so much pain before they revolt"

    Nice bit from the Oxford Languages dictionary 😁


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Interesting to see people scurrying about in the midst of a CODE RED ! storm,desperately attempting to keep the cloth attached to their heads.......100+KPH winds will attend to Covid perfectly well without the assistance of the bitta cloth....😷


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Dr Holohan is already on record calling for a new "Slimer,more focused" permanent NPHET to be established in order to boost our readiness for future pandemicals (or strategic panic requirements)

    Be under no illusion that the demise of THIS NPHET is more of an intermission to allow for some R & R for all concerned....



    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ah, Neil Ferguson the modelling genius, whose work in wrongly guessing huge case numbers largely encouraged countries to do as they did. I'd cut them slack in the first lockdown, it was very much a pause to process a new pathogen. Sure, they were overused in the two years but I am disappointed not to see your own brilliant strategy. Bear in mind we've seen both ends of the spectrum from the loose Swedish approach to the Antipodean border closures. I tend to leave China out of this because they will do whatever they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Does Pat not realize that people WILL die from Covid anyway,mask,hazmat,vaccine,booster or not ?

    Everyone of us,at some point has to face our own mortality ...it's an absolute.

    Is Pat Kenny suggesting that our mortality can,on a large scale be thwarted by wearing masks of any sort...we will all die,but the only outcome of this Media Rearguard action is to ensure that some will now die of FEAR itself ! 😲

    This two-week lead in is little more than a death-by-a-thousand articles performance,designed to mobilise some form of resistance campaign to maintain the mandate at all costs.

    In reality all it is doing is to smoke out the crazies to form an unstable alliance with the fearful and manipulate them into some form of force to be reckoned with.

    This is actually the most important period of the entire production,as it's outcome will determine how Freedom is defined in future life !

    End it Now !


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Agree, one would have to ask what is the objective?

    These people have recovered from Covid, they’re not at risk for many months of another Covid infection. The booster doesn’t protect against current strains and indeed I don’t see any data or studies showing the necessity for a booster of the Wuhan strain following a primary vaccination course and subsequent recovery from Omicron. Avoidance of binning vaccines?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Mr Musician posted.....

    The only argument is that it makes these people 'feel' more left out. A small number of people's feelings however are not a good rationale for broad public health measures imo.

    The rationale,as far as I can make out,is to vastly increase the numbers of those who can be classified as "Vulnerable".

    The past two years has seen swathes of society,who would have fared well using their own intellect and common sense now convinced they are a new species "The Vulnerable",who now must be looked after by a new Admistrative Entity,which will be along soon.

    As one's mother might have said..."Be careful now and Mind Yourself"


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    The write-off is one thing for sure. Another, and I know that this could sound very CT-esque, is that experiment is not finished. The aim may be to go through the full course of vaccines to gather the data and information on the mRNA. This may be very useful to improve the technology and step up the level of its maturity, so that when the next pandemic comes along …

    Those people who had their infection confirmed by an antigen test and who are struggling now to receive their recovery certs should be offered a test for presence of anti-bodies, and have their infection confirmed that way. But no, coercion has been and continues to be the way the ruling elites manage the plebs.

    Post edited by walus on

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That's nonsense to be honest. They have demonstrated that they can move within 24 hours (or less!) if they want to in the past. There's no reason for this to drag on at all, and certainly not beyond Tuesday next when the cabinet meets.

    This isn't giving businesses and people time to put new measures in place. This is to simply remove the legal requirement for masks.

    I think they've bowed to the likes of Pat Kenny and his listeners, and the nervous types on Twitter to drag it on to the latest point possible without having to extend/renew the existing legislation.

    Someone asked why would you listen to the likes of Pat Kenny if he bothers you - because like him or not, he and his listeners are part of a demographic that FF/FG very much want to appeal to come election time.

    All this is is more appeasing of those who still think it's March 2020 and who think their (in most cases) unwarranted anxieties are justification enough to pressure the decision makers into yet another unnecessary delay in returning to normality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I don't need to have a brilliant strategy as a citizen of this country or any other in order to criticise authoritarian measures taken on the back of provably inept modelling. That's not how any of this works.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,212 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    It's great to now sit down and rethink all the **** stupidy of our nation response to this and this bloody fourm. I'm guilty of been stupid in some of my comments but tbh it was a mentality beat into us by our leaders and glorious media who have every chance wanted to instil fear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,718 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Pat Kenny is an old fella, married, has kids, great career, etc.

    Essentially he has lived a great life.

    Restrictions really don't make much of a difference to him at this stage. He isn't out there trying to build a career, travel, relationships, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    No, it wasn't a mentality beaten into you, it was you spouting doom gloom and making up scenarios then trying to blame NPHET and the evil Dr Tony.


    Follow your own advice and take personal responsibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Of course, this whole modelling **** that has been going on for the last 2 years lacked not only accuracy (of course), but also data on probability factors of various scenarios actually occurring. Sure 200k dead in Ireland was a possibility and someone modelling that would not be wrong. What is wrong however is predicting such numbers without calculating the probability of that happening. So what that 200k could die if the probability of that happening is lower than RTE actually providing objective and unbiased coverage of pandemic (or something equally unlikely to happen i.e. me turning into diamond by lunchtime tomorrow - possible but extremely unlikely to occur that fast).

    additionally a thorough analysis of cost associated with a strategy of dealing and responding to each scenario should also be conducted and that being in monetary, health and social terms. But hey what do I know. I’m not the ruling elite.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    If you want to live you don't want masks

    Not sure how all these decisions were arrived at MM and Tony holohan don't strike me as the progressive type probably seen the writing on the wall with the UK



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