Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

walus

masks have never really bothered my that much other than the fact that i can only manage to keep it on for 10 minutes at a stretch. I just cannot breathe in the fcuking thing. What pisses me off though is mandating masks in schools and forcing children to wear them all the time there. That is on top of keeping the windows constantly open in the class throughout the day. There is virtually zero medical and health benefit to kids wearing masks and sitting in cold and breezy classrooms. The only people who might have benefited from this, in theory at least, are the teachers (perceived safety and all that malarkey).

The whole education system has become all about the teachers and not about the kids. When you throw unions on top of that you have an organisation that will never progress and adapt to modern times. Not to mention that unionising a public job is laughable concept to begin with. As if the public job was not safe and secure, and regulated already and needed unions to ensure that. What a joke.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118657429#Comment_118657429

I would certainly like to, can you show me or link for me the official government statement on why masks were mandated?

Not who, when or where, but why?

Don't Chute!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658111#Comment_118658111

Have you got anything to contribute yourself? We’ve had loads of you edgelord types on here so you’re nothing new.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658159#Comment_118658159

I'm curious how you can tell the difference between those who wear them because it is mandatory and those who just aren't bothered about it? Is it something in the eyes?

It is rather inane to say that some people aren't bothered so what is the rush, but regardless, it is yet another example of Irelands pandemic response which could largely be defined by "people unaffected by restrictions telling those who are affected to stop moaning".

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658696#Comment_118658696

I am required to wear one at times and beyond I don't have much of an opinion on other people's motivation around masks. My point about the shopping is that people were all continuing to do what they have done.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118659058#Comment_118659058

Unless I am badly wrong, masks are still mandatory in retail so of course they continue to do what they have done, they still have to.

You said that people in shops weren't bothered about it, thats expressly an opinion on other peoples motivations, and its an opinion that begs the question.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118659086#Comment_118659086

I think the confusion was is_that_so saying "throw off their masks" I think it was meant to be "throw on their masks" otherwise it reads a bit weird (i went into a shop with a mask on and then threw off my mask), apologies if I picked it up wrong.

MSVforever

The fear mongering was shoved down our throats by NPHET and the government.

Now they're sending out conflicting messages to people. I have always stuck to the rules and I am also triple vaccinated but I have to admit that I completely lost trust in them.

Why don't they just come out and say that they got it wrong, the Omicron virus is harmless and we let it run through the population now?

I would have more respect for them instead this faffing about....

growleaves

Freddie Mcinerney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658674#Comment_118658674

It was stated so many times for over a year. You haven't seen or notice.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118659723#Comment_118659723

I can see England reacting differently next time there's a pandemic .They've no appetite for lockdowns unless labour get in maybe.

The media has a lot to answer for .They hyped COVID out of all proportion to its real danger level.

walus

These guys seem to be claiming that “that the risk of myocarditis following mRNA COVID vaccination is around 133 times greater than the background risk in the population.” And that due to the issues with VAERS “the number of reported incidents is likely to be an underestimate of the extent of the phenomenon.”

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321238

Since the vaccines don’t prevent infections, the comparisons with myocarditis rates following infection become irrelevant. Nevertheless, for a full context of this problem, does anybody know what is the myocarditis rate following infection? What I found in: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm is that rate is around 16 times, but maybe there are more recent studies.

growleaves

"The study, conducted by researchers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) as well as from several U.S. universities and hospitals"

Yikes. Good luck to anyone trying to claim that these people are all 'grifters'.

A x133 greater risk of myocarditis, that is appalling and how can anyone now justify pressurising people into taking these vaccines? Yes you can still argue that its worth the risk on a balance of probabilities but multiple insults, accustions of 'idiot!', covid passes and dis-employing mandates?

Hego Damask

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658438#Comment_118658438

You're lucky you don't live in Spain.

Out this morning in the park playing ping pong with the boys and lovely bright sunny day here and I see people out walking their dogs - in their FFP2 masks fully on.

It's a cult.

And this is at a stage where it's no longer mandatory to wear them outdoors, I did a quick count the other day and around 60% of adults are wearing them outside.

Not to count that the kids (especially teenagers) coming out of school all leaving their masks on - what in gods name are the teachers brainwashing them with God only knows ...

This is why it annoys me so much, because of the above hysteria, Spain will NEVER drop the indoor mask rule, there is no way with 60% of adult population AFRAID of going maskless outdoors they will ever introduce this.

So well done Spain, you have created a new generation of anxious hypochondriacs, can you imagine the kids here today in 10/15 years time ??

Imagine the amount of doctor visits wasted on some anxious cat lady that is in a panic cos her neighbour sneezed ?

Another thing I think is happening, a mouth is almost becoming like an anus to some - it's just not displayed in public ...

Hego Damask

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118662702#Comment_118662702

Whats the story with myocarditis after a vaccine ? when can I stop worrying ? I got my 3rd and last dose around 6 weeks ago, does this linger, or is it usually in the days after the shot ?

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118662766#Comment_118662766

I’m sure that tweeter is full of those experts that would contradict those studies and some of the regulars here will be quick to refer to those and refute ‘in a scientific manner’.

Seems to me that Djokovic had his research done properly and understood the risk. He made a right decision, no question about it.

Aguero did not do so well.

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118662845#Comment_118662845

“The study found that median time to symptom onset was two days”.

Micky 32

I know , it’s awful this myocarditis ‘ting’. The hospitals and headlines were overwhelmed with all these people being admitted to hospital with myocarditis. It’s terrible out there what are we going to do? We are doomed!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118662702#Comment_118662702

Maybe actually Read the report the article is based on

Results  Among 192 405 448 persons receiving a total of 354 100 845 mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines during the study period, there were 1991 reports of myocarditis to VAERS and 1626 of these reports met the case definition of myocarditis.

The major presenting symptoms appeared to resolve faster in cases of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination than in typical viral cases of myocarditis. Even though almost all individuals with cases of myocarditis were hospitalized and clinically monitored, they typically experienced symptomatic recovery after receiving only pain management. In contrast, typical viral cases of myocarditis can have a more variable clinical course. For example, up to 6% of typical viral myocarditis cases in adolescents require a heart transplant or result in mortality

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118662933#Comment_118662933

Maybe I actually did.

After the Pfizer immunization, according to study, boys aged 12 to 15 had a myocarditis rate of 70.7 instances per million, which is 133 times higher than the baseline rate of 0.53 per million. So that is where the quoted rate is coming from.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118662977#Comment_118662977

what was the rate after contracting the delta variant. Because that’s the true comparison. You also stated in was “133 times the background rate in the population” when in fact it was a very specific segment of the population and still below the post viral rate, which is wholly on keeping with your propensity for lying

Leaving this here for the purveyors of deliberate misinformation

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.23.21260998v1

Results For the 12-17-year-old male cohort, 6/6,846 (0.09%) patients developed myocarditis overall, with an adjusted rate per million of 876 cases (Wilson score interval 402 - 1,911). For the 12-15 and 16-19 male age groups, the adjusted rates per million were 601 (257 - 1,406) and 561 (240 - 1,313).

Can anyone tell me is 876 per million greater than or less than 70?

Is less with the new variant though because 1. It’s less severe and 2. Vaccination has further reduced serious effects even when infection occurs

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663007#Comment_118663007

You have a strong propensity for misunderstanding or simply being disingenuous.

Your claim that I stated that “133 times greater than the background risk in the population” is grossly wrong. I did not claim that, thus quotation marks in the original post. These are the exact words used in the mentioned article in the first paragraph and you would know it if you had read it. Check your facts before you accuse me or anybody for that matter of lying.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663047#Comment_118663047

From perusing many of these types of post,particularly in the past 6 months,it's increasingly clear that many people now feel genuinely threatened by the imminent removal of the Guidance,Regulation and Care levels provided by the "Authorities" wherever they may be.

It's not unique to Ireland,as most of Western Europe has succumbed to this trait,to a greater or lesser degree.

There is very little to be gained by attempting to point out how Covid was never going to be the end-of-days event as predicted by the Experts & Authorities. (Oddly enough,even Nostradamus appears to have been mute in this regard ?) .

Now that imminent Death from Covid for the average reasonably healthy individual, has been shown to be as miniscule as it always was many people feel an obligation to trawl through volumes of Scientific sounding stuff in order to keep the flame flickering.

I believe It's neither misunderstanding or disingenuity,but rather a genuinely felt sense of loss that forces a significant number of people to cling to the hull of the rapidly sinking Covid ship.

For me,the entire production lost it's way from June 2020,with most of the regulatory element since then being far more experimental in the Administrative sense than the Public Health one.

The problem now faced by Western Europe,particularly in the light of the Ukrainian situation,is whether or not our populations are in any way robust enough mentally, to deal with threats of a FAR more lethal nature than Covid-19,and which may impose far greater levels of both Fear and Physical & Mental stress overall.

Hugo Damask in post #31969 puts it quite succinctly....

So well done Spain, you have created a new generation of anxious hypochondriacs, can you imagine the kids here today in 10/15 years time ??

Imagine the amount of doctor visits wasted on some anxious cat lady that is in a panic cos her neighbour sneezed ?

Perhaps this erasure of self-confidence and future belief is the true legacy of the Covid Public Health measures in the Western World ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663183#Comment_118663183

You actually took time to come up with that complete and total nonsense?

And

Oddly enough,even Nostradamus appears to have been mute in this regard ?

Wtf?

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118657247#Comment_118657247

It's quite likely these types of people will tell you that had they NOT followed the rules they's all be dead and gone now.

The ability to cope unaided,has been subject to a relentless assault over the past 2 years.

People have been vaccinated with fear,and as with liquid vaccines,this Fear will need a regular Top-Up...It's now in our Genes,along with the single ply piece of flimsy cotton and elastic in the back pocket of my Jeans...just in case 😷

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663183#Comment_118663183

Interesting point of view. Perhaps you are right, mental damage is a serious issue.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663214#Comment_118663214

Yep,check it out...😉

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663229#Comment_118663229

I think you may actually be serious

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663214#Comment_118663214

I reckon it's ends of days stuff alright. It's like some can't cope with the fact that the absolute majority of people are just getting on with their lives don't mind the few restrictions that are there and know that that the situation is improving regardless.

The constant moaning and hysterics are worrying though. It could be argued that the pandemic was responsible as being a causative agent. Only problem with that explanation is that looking at the threads, those still complaining are by in large those who were complaining even at the beginning of the pandemic, even before the restrictions and have apparently never stopped. I guess some will never be happy unless they're having a good old moan about everybody else. God love them.