Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Detritus70 · 27-01-2022 05:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118515372#Comment_118515372

Trump has mocked the disabled and spread hatred against Muslims and Mexicans.

He has objectified women and he has called Nazis "very fine people".

And he has, of course, initiated a coup against the US government.

He has the support of conspiracy theory lunatics, religious fanatics and a whole host of radical groups.

Anyone who still supports Trump does so specifically because of all this. No-one in their right mind would vote for him because they think he is the very best option for the country.

Quin_Dub · 27-01-2022 06:08PM

In another interesting turn for "Trump associated" folk - Jerry Falwell Jr , that supposed bastion on Evangelical Christianity before his fall from grace when his "proclivities" came to light has now done an Interview where he and his wife admit that the whole "Christian" thing was just an act and that he believed none of the things he was saying and that it was all just an act to keep the money flowing.

“Because of my last name, people think I’m a religious person. But I’m not. My goal was to make them realize I was not my dad.”

Jerry said that being on the receiving end of evangelicals’ moral opprobrium has fundamentally turned him away from the movement. He believes in Christ, he said, but not the church. “Nothing in history has done more to turn people away from Christianity than organized religion,” he said. “The religious elite has got this idea that somehow their sins aren’t as bad as everyone else’s,” Jerry said

aloyisious · 05-02-2022 01:32AM

Mike Pence addressed the matter of Trump trying to get him to overturn the election result at the Capitol on 6 Jan 2021 when speaking to an audience at the Federalist Society yesterday saying that he - Mike Pence - did not have the right to overturn the election result. His speech to the society lasted some 21 minutes. Following on from Trump's recent media behaviour toward Pence it seems more than likely that here will be no GOP partnership between both men where a 2024 election run by Trump is concerned. Whether Trump will now include Pence in his "RINO-labeling" of GOP members and cause further damage to the GOP remains to be seen, if he wants it to have him run as its candidate for 2024.

Tell me how · 05-02-2022 05:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584954#Comment_118584954

Thought it was interesting that Pence came out with those comments now.

Apparently, he had spoken with Dan Qualye enquiring if he could overturn the election like Trump wanted him to. Looking at commentary online, it seems that he is still angling for a run himself in 2024. If so, then I would expect him to lose to Trump but he may still have the capacity to inflict significant damage on him if he is in the race for any significant period.

aloyisious · 05-02-2022 11:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118585135#Comment_118585135

It might be worth keeping an eye out for a "compromise" candidate waiting in the wings for the call from the GOP, however unlikely that sounds. I don't know what the US domestic political set would look like/be in the next 18 months. Some-one with a degree of political sanity, stated religious faith while not sounding like a WASP "Christians Only Need Apply" might please the grassroots and investors with political and cash capital when the other GOP candidates have dubious records of probity in comparison. I wouldn't imagine MP going for the VP gig again after the drubbing he got from Trump.

pixelburp · 05-02-2022 12:22PM

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My first thoughts were to wonder if Pence was still in politics, or retiring/stepping down. Cos it's funny how candid politicians become when they know there will not be another election campaign, or a whip to keep you in check. So if he's stepping out of that maelstrom, Pence's words mean nothing. If not, then yes, they could be instructive

Brussels Sprout · 05-02-2022 06:25PM

Pence hasn't a hope in 2024. His natural base would be the evangelicals but they seem to be firmly behind Trump.

At this early stage it's looking like the only person who could run against Trump is Ron DeSantis. Trump recognises this which is why he's been aiming, not too subtle digs in his direction.

arthursway · 05-02-2022 06:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118587288#Comment_118587288

I agree pence hasn't a hope in hell of actually winning but could cause Trump some problems in debates if he lifts the lid on some issues as unlikely as that is.

Ron de Santis is the dark horse here and if articles are to be believed Ron de Santis has some real heavy backing and donations from wall Street and investors.

duploelabs · 05-02-2022 06:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118587318#Comment_118587318

Fantastic to hear that he's continuing to drain the swamp

aloyisious · 05-02-2022 09:42PM

Bannon has stepped forward to broadcast that Mike Pence will have to take his speech with him to his grave. One of CNN's pundits has mooted that Bannon's words can be understood to be a threat to Pence. I disagree with that opinion as Bannon is clever enough not to want USSS agents at his door with the belief that he is a direct threat to Pence. I see Bannon's comment as continuing to further Trumps agenda through the media, something Trump cant.

Actually as Pence's COS has given evidence to the committee, the next logical step for Pence, if he has left the political stage and wants posterity to be kind to him, would be for him to attend at the committee hearings and tell its members what was said to him by Trump and Trumps re-election agents on the day and days close to that date about turning the election result on its head. I can see that the mere presence of Pence in the area of the committee hearing room/s would get to Trumps agents ears fast, causing chaos there.

Tell me how · 05-02-2022 10:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118588145#Comment_118588145

Thought the interesting thing about Bannon's words was complaining about Pence and other (Koch guys) ratting Trump out which implies that he was categorically up to something rather than them making stuff up about him which had no basis in truth.

The Koch guys comment is being considered as a split in the ideological mindset of those influencing the Republican party now with Trump obviously being on one side and more traditionalists (backed by Koch money and including Pence) on the other.

Think Pence definitely wants a crack at the hot seat. There's no chance of him returning as a VP candidate to Trump. I'd bet Niki Haley as his running mate at this point but it may be DeSantis with the expectation that DeSantis then goes for the main seat later.

I'm here hoping none of them get close to it but unfortunately I'm not overly confident that that will not be the case.

aloyisious · 06-02-2022 12:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118588487#Comment_118588487

Bannon's behaviour is not what I expected from a person allegedly behind the spinning of conspiracy stories, like the Trump line of Democrat party machinations intent on ending democracy in the US. Given how he started out doing the spinning, it looks like he's swallowed his alternative reality line.

It'd be good to see how much truth there is in the Trump party line about the current amount of cash there is in his election war-chest and how much the GOP believes the reported total is, given how Trump himself is a source of that line. If its real and not just promised, it must be banked somewhere and logged with the Feds for tax-avoidance purposes, supposedly an expertise of his.

aloyisious · 07-02-2022 04:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118587318#Comment_118587318

If Ron did decide to run for the presidency at the next election, that must wound Trump's hopes in Florida, which [as his home state now] he must hope to have as his support base. That is, unless Ron and Trump do a deal with Trump as President and Ron as prospective VP with Trump to step aside after successful election and hand Ron the Oval Office on a plate. There would have to be a great degree of trust for Ron to accept such an offer from Trump.

Brussels Sprout · 07-02-2022 09:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595685#Comment_118595685

Why in God's name would Trump ever countenance such a deal? He might be worried about DeSantis but he's not that worried. He assume he'll just steam roller him the same way that he steam rollered the entire Republican field in 2015. DeSantis is a particularly charmless man - I don't think he'll actually be too much of a problem for him. Trump will give him some childish knick-name and beat him by 40 points.

Rjd2 · 07-02-2022 10:24PM

Their is zero chance that RDS or anyone would beat Trump in a primary.

Firstly like the Democrat primary where Biden came out on top, it will be congested. Trump has lost slight support with Republicans , but when you look at the voting base, 35-45 % are all Trump until the day he passes. When you have such a loyal base whether left , right you can't be beaten.

RDS is 44 which in US politics means he has another 40 years of politics left so its quite likely he won't want to risk the blowback of trying to win an unwinnable race.

Also what happens if somehow RDS beats Trump?

Trump is all about his brand first and the GOP he could not give a **** about. He would likely consider a third party run, call RDS a "RINO" , he wouldn't win, but he would swindle his gullible base for fortunes and ensure RDS lost.

On the other rivals obviously none have a chance, but it will be interesting who decides to run. I don't think Hailey will, she might beg him enough for a VP spot, Cruz , Pence, Pompeo and Cotton will all run for sure and none of them will do well for various reasons.

Maybe if pressed Cruz will be the last man standing in what will be a procession.

Rjd2 · 07-02-2022 10:31PM

Anyone who thinks Trump won't run, behave.

This is a man who craves attention which he has been deprived of since losing his social media, the idea that he would look at something like a presidential election and all the spotlight that would bring and say "not for me " is madness.

He's also got about minimum 45% chance of winning v Biden/Harris in 2024 due to the electoral college.

Then to top it off, all the corporate media whether right, left etc will be begging him to run because he made them an absolute ton of money.

So yeah 3 consecutive president races with Trump, and if he loses in 2024, I'd expect him to run again in 2028.

The good news is though he for obvious reasons probably won't be in the 2032 GOP primary!

salmocab · 07-02-2022 10:48PM

I notice that Bidens age which was mentioned a lot in the run up to the election is not mentioned too much, it’s he’s not mentally fit. This happened around the same time that people realised that Trump would be older in 4 years than Joe was when he was elected.

aloyisious · 08-02-2022 11:32PM

It seems Senator McConnell has broken with Trump [and/or maybe a section of the GOP itself] as he has issued a statement that the Jan 06 2021 was a violent insurrection. He seems to agreement with the opinion of Senator Romney, uncle of the RNC Chair, who's disagreed with her in the past about Trump.

Does this mean McConnell is telling the RNC chair that she is wrong in the RNC statement about the Capitol Hill mob being “Ordinary citizens who engaged in legitimate political discourse" and consequently the action taken by the RNC against the GOP two on the investigating committee is also wrong? Is this a break with Trump or merely one GOP senator agreeing with another GOP senator who's long in disagreement with his niece, the RNC chair, about Trump?

Tell me how · 09-02-2022 07:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118603305#Comment_118603305

I'd say there's something afoot.

Steve Bannon was complaining on his podcast a few days ago about Pence and 'Koch guys ratting Trump out' after Pence's speech.

Then McConnell came out with this today, which was a very pointed statement.

At the very least, I don't expect Trump will be able to bite his tongue. Will be interesting also to see how key Fox commentators comment on it, if they do.

aloyisious · 15-02-2022 02:37AM

Don Trumps business empire has run into a problem which may affect his personal funding and have a knock-on effect on his chances of running for a second term as such efforts need funding. Mazars, the accountancy firm which was up to today Trumps accountants, have walked away from Trump and has stated that a decades worth of his financial statements cannot be relied on. The news was released by the New York Attorney General Letitia James.

The reliability of Trumps actual worth is covered by the alleged differing valuations the Trump family business put on parts of its property empire, depending on the reasons and requirements the valuations were submitted for. Speculation has arisen that Trump may be in need of a new lender to keep the family businesses afloat.

It doesn't take a genius to work out whom, besides AG James, Trump will be making statements soon.

Leroy42 · 15-02-2022 07:03AM

This is actually a massive problem for Trump. He is heavily leveraged, and those loans would require financial statements.

Having 10 years if FS basically torn up means he is possibly in breach of loan agreements, but certainly will find it difficult to roll over any debt.

It also will raise serious questions about his tax returns.

from a Trump POV this is probably the most serious issue he has faced in the last few years

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-02-2022 07:15AM

Here's the statement from Mazars on the above Trump financial statements.

looksee · 15-02-2022 11:00AM

Why do they say there was an overpayment of taxes (it seems very unlikely) and there should be no late penalties? And how does the endless audit fit into all this?

aloyisious · 16-02-2022 09:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118632866#Comment_118632866

It begs the question who would take up the job [if offered it] knowing that Mazars, a firm with a reputation to protect, walked away from a former US President and long-term client who's under NYC civil criminal investigation.

Ref the overpayment of taxes question, that might be in the Mazars statement to indicate the state Trumps tax returns affairs are in covering the firms ass in case there is a chance that Trump might be return-compliant after all, which can keep the firm from being sued by Trump for issuing a misleading statement damaging to his good name.

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-02-2022 08:16PM

It just gets better!

So Trump published this statement from Mazars

The N.Y.A.G has now filed the letter and the above statement as an exhibit as evidence AGAINST Trump 🙈🤣

aloyisious · 19-02-2022 01:04AM

Former President Trump may have made himself liable to charges under whatever federal law passes for the "Official Secrets" act in the US. It's been known for some days now that documents from the time he was president had been found at his Mar-a-Lago home and that he had been in the habit of destroying and damaging some of the documents. However its been reported that the US National Archives has found documents marked top secret and classified at Mar-a-Lago which were moved there from the White House by Trump AFTER he left the office of the presidency, making it possible he had no legal right or authority to possess or be in possession of those documents found in his Mar-a-Lago home.

looksee · 22-02-2022 12:34AM

Truths and re-truths, the tweets and retweets of the new Trumpian twitter lite. Genuinely Orwellian.

Hopefully it continues to be disfunctional until he gets his day in court.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/21/tech/trump-truth-social-app-store/index.html

pixelburp · 22-02-2022 09:06AM

I have no doubt it'll be as successful as all of Trump's other business ventures. I know this forum expects more refined, thoughtful contributions but .. eh, I can't, in good conscience, fashion a neutral position on a business idea so transparently spite and bitterness filled as "I'm going to make my own social media platform, where everyone can tell me how great I am!". As a developer though, I'm dead curious what chumps Trump got to build this; cos the man is an infamous cheapskate, also known to skip out on paying people their dues.

Sam Russell · 22-02-2022 10:15AM

When will Twitter sue him for copyright infringement? Can they just shut him down by court order? Will they try suing Apple as well for infringement?

Early days - the site does not even work properly yet.

pixelburp · 22-02-2022 10:27AM

Why waste legal fees giving "Truth" more publicity than it deserves? If Twitter chased them it would only validate and embolden its evangelists that Trump's app was worrying liberals - trying to shut down (the) Truth. It would give fuel to this persistent nonsense that Big Tech has a liberal bias. IIRC there are already conservatives trying to claim the various teething problems are a Democract ploy. Easier - and faster - to let it die in obscurity; the app stores are full of Social Media wannabes that never took off. Christ I remember interviewing for a company fadó fadó in ancient Ireland, whose pitch was Facebook - but only for the Irish Diaspora. So ... Facebook then?

Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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