Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Won't happen because you have flutes on twitter, on other forms of social media, in the mainstream media, hell even on here that will howl that the women are being transphobic and are no better than a 19th century man who wants to keep poor downtrodden "women" down.

It can be career ending, could mean loss of sponsors, being kicked off the team or in case of college athletes in the states loss of scholarship and hence end of college.

Hell look how trail blazing LGB rights advocate Martina Navratilova was hounded because she dared question it.

The chattering social media right on classes are becoming very powerful, all it takes is a few to start the ball rolling.

It is getting to the stage to be like McCarthyism in the States in the 50s.

It has to be everyone as united they stand and divided they will surely fail.

Now one could say that one way is for viewers and spectators to just walk away, but viewers especially those against it will watch to be able to complain and say I told you so. It is just the way people are.

Talk about missing the finer nuances of the debate mate. In sport there is ample evidence that yes, trans women have an advantage for roughly a year. If I recall the IAA brought in a rule that trans women if competing should have a testosterone level of approx 5 nmol/L for approximately a year preceeding races they intended to enter. After the year, the ground was more or less even. There is an edge in terms of muscle mass but its not all that great and will require individual sports to be tailored. Calling out their biology of who they were and who they are now means that if you do think that being a trans woman is still a man then you would have to account for lower rates of testosterone as in men its 10 nmol/L. IOC rules have been consitently looked at by doctors working in the field. What would you tend to trust more - a medical physician with ten years experience or Barry the Banker who read an article on the Guardian and choked on his bottle of Heiniken ?

PS Mc Carthyism stemmed from the Red Scare for communists - Most communists would support the transition of people as it fits in with empowering the individual over those at the top of society...makes your fairly facile point kind of ironic

Not at all I am afraid, you are quite wrong on that

Scientific American -

The notion of transgender girls having an unfair advantage comes from the idea that testosterone causes physical changes such as an increase in muscle mass. But transgender girls are not the only girls with high testosterone levels. An estimated 10 percent of women have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which results in elevated testosterone levels. They are not banned from female sports. Transgender girls on puberty blockers, on the other hand, have negligible testosterone levels

Are we going to go around in circles again with the debunked notion of physical supremacy of trans women over women?

You claimed they had a life long advantage

I posted they didnt with evidence

Whats your rebuttal to my point

From World Rugby

https://www.world.rugby/news/591776/world-rugby-approves-updated-transgender-participation-guidelines (link to PDF at bottom of page)

the full bars represent the advantage of males over females, the dark blue represents the reduction in that advantage after a year of hormone therapy

Turban is a psychiatrist not a medical or physiological expert.

The use of puberty blockers is to prevent secondary sexual characteristics that develop before they transition. Ireland has a robust mechanism to address the matter , including seeing a psychologist and living as a chosen gender for two years. What you have done here is not even stretched as far as answering a reasonable question but instead have postured into the abstract with the eloquntly phrased "they are sterilsed and will never mature to have sexual function of any description, except at the hands of paedphiles" (Ive not seen anyone jump the shark like that in a number of years). Are psychologists and the medical profession wrong then and you are correct?

I never thought I would see the day I became woke...I need a stiff drink!

Without the requisite specialisation and years of practice in either sports medicine or physiology, you may as well be asking a GP for their opinion as listening to Turban.

Perceive what? The fact that chancers like Turban are called out? That's a good thing.

Having a degree does not make you an expert.

I'm quite happy to correct you on this

A. The Tavistock clinic focuses primarily on the NHS

B. For anyone 16 to 18 to legally change their gender identity requires a declaration by a court to exempt them from the Gender Recognition Act

C. Currently a person undergoes psychological assessment, counselling and the transition over seen by consultants in Loughlinstown.

Gender Dysphoria was declassified as a mental disorder in 2019 by the WHO.

What specific part would of what I have mentioned as not being robust . Pick the specific points apart

And I share your concerns about the Tavistock but let's discuss the process here in Ireland. Open to discussion in good faith

Contract ended last year and there has been no referrals from the Tavistock since

All referrals are now from CAHMS

So it is true now

Well the fact that the contract was not renewed is a fact should bring some comfort

The issue has really nothing to do with advantages, testosterone, protecting women, or any of those hotly debated avenues of discussion.

The real issue is whether if one 'feels' they are a woman then they are a woman and everything should fall into place because of that.

Well?

To be brutally honest I would say no. I think it's really simple, it's tough luck if you are are trans and can't compete in the sex category you wish to in every respect a woman or man can.

And to be more brutally honest, I don't think that's a big deal.

Because in life sex categories don't play a major role in most people's lives, in respect of what one can and can't do, outside of biological sexual reproduction. Not any more anyway.

And I think this debate is not a practical one, it's a theoretical one. And and I don't think it's an important topic at all.

There are many people bigging up this trans issue and to be brutally honest, I don't think it's worth the controversy.

Trans is not a significant social issue. It never was, in the same way homosexuality is. There is a huge amount of marketing around trans, as in 'select your gender here' type of thing, and I think that is a little bit sick.

Gender is not fluid, gender is not something that is in ones brain that noone can see except yourself or any of that wishful thinking theoretical nonsense.

Trans athletes should never be allowed to compete in the sex category they desire. The people who advocate for it live in fantasy land imo. That is my considered opinion after getting a feel for what's been going on over the last few years.

People should be classified as regards what competition they can enter…based on their biologically defined / birth gender…

it’s not about what the competitors want or propose to need…it’s about fairness of competition, there are 108 entries to the woman's draw at Wimbledon..the sport isn’t all about them….therefore due to the biological, physical differential it’s not going to be fair all of a sudden if say Novak Djokovic declared he was to change gender and compete as a female… but some people think that’s hunky dory… he’s a physical powerhouse 6’3”… has up to an 128 kmph serve….. his physicality would destroy every female competitor 99 times out of 100.

look at golf… golfing powerhouse Jim Furyk can drive a ball 295 yards…. The majority of the most powerful females are around the 230 mark…if old Jim decided he wished to swap gender… there is a huge issue…

it makes a complete mockery of the sport.. ruins it as a fair spectacle for competitors AND fans alike….

i agree with the Pieterson comments it’s politics sticking it’s nose in sport… for political reasons…