Prime Time housing debate: Eoin O Broin vs Darragh O'Brien

The councils need to get the finger out and chase these people who are not paying. Can they not go to court and get a payment order where they can deduct the money at source rather than waiting for the tenant to pay?

This is going on at all levels just look at how the state institutions react when there is a whistleblower and a light is shined on some of what they get up too. I do have to say that is a bit hard to see latest models cars in driveways of people who are living in social housing. When you see others struggling to do things the right way.

If we’re honest we know that the social housing system is been scammed and abused for years.

Everyone knows it.

Stay in a hotel for a year and get a brand new 3 bed house for pittance.

Move the fella in and live a very comfortable life while not really contributing anything worth while.

Yes yes I know not all the people do it blah blah.

But a massive chunk do and it’s getting worst.

You obviously don't understand the zoning element.

Is this the one in Raheny? They belonged to the school, a private entity, and the school sold that land on as was their right. It was one of the lesser used claims as animals people have never heard of are supposedly at risk. That's not to say the developers have not been tried to squeeze every last apartment out of the site. There's a compromise there but some are just outright NIMBYs. Once upon a time St Anne's had a great composting facility which was shut down because of alleged smells.

If the banned new builds being sold to anyone other than owner occupiers they would solve most of the housing crisis overnight.

...this is the only way out of this fire sector mess, less credit, and more publicly created money, period, but very few are truly willing to go there, not completely, including sf, the public institutions that are required for this still need to be created, in particular the public financial institutions.....

the whole fire sector process has ultimately brought us to vulture funds, and ultimately towards monopolisation of markets, as this is exactly what occurs when a financialised economy is facilitated and encouraged.....

I would love to know that % of top earners in the country would you need to be to buy a house in a half decent area (as a single person)? The top 10% of the country earn a salary of €70,000 per year. So the banks will only lend 3.5 times salary which is €245,000. We all know you definitely won't be buying for that. A half decent house in Dublin now costs €400,000.

Ideally a single person needs a salary of over €100,000 per year. What % of the population earns over €100,000 per year?

Nope I was only using that as an example. There are many legitimate reasons for objecting to planning permission, yes there are people who do it for nimby reasons and that should be eliminated but to remove objections is wrong. People here seem to want to build every where and screw a yone that objects. We all seen where that got us with the tiger era builds.

The State does nothing?

I know you can criticise the HSE, but they do something, not nothing. The same goes for the Garda, education, etc.

I agree that the 13.5% lower rate of VAT is a big high.

Where did you get the 70k figure for the top 10%?

In 2020, the average within the top decile was as follows: (This is at the household level, not the person level)

Employee income = 2,637 per week

Total market income = 4,129 per week, so 215k per annum

Disposable income = 2,716 per week, so 141k disposable pa

The entry point to the top decile is 1,793 per week disposable income, so 93,236 disposable income per household is the entry point to the top decile

See the SILC 2020:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-silc/surveyonincomeandlivingconditionssilc2020/income/

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Is this satire.

its fcuking disturbing to see the attempts of ridiculing sf on this thread, sorry to break it to you folks, but sf arent bringing back socialism, and its clearly obvious the ffg approach has catastrophically failed, so grow up!

...another element of why this situation is the way it is, this the ladder thing, is only a relatively new phenomenon, this approach only truly benefits certain elements in society, mostly related to the fire sectors, the whole idea is to indebt citizens, as indebted people are easier to control....

What nonsense.

construction costs are 250-350k per unit/house.

how are you supposed to pay for it? All cash?

Our "reduced" rate VAT of 13.5% is 1.5% below the lowest allowed standard VAT per EU rules. Obviously VAT is a huge contributor to the state's coffers but 23% standard rate (which applies to so many items) is far higher than it could and should be.

20% standard and 10% reduced vat rates would be a good compromise. However I wouldn't trust retailers and suppliers to actually lower their prices, instead many would just pocket the difference.

Well then name the country that runs huge public debt with zero private debt successfully?

can only think of Italy, Greece and Argentina, all are or are very close to being failed states.