Prime Time housing debate: Eoin O Broin vs Darragh O'Brien

iffandonlyif

Battle of the O’Briens.

Atlantic Dawn

The home insurance doesn't cover me throwing the laptop directly through the TV in rage so I won't be watching 😁

iffandonlyif

These 3D graphics are pointless.

iffandonlyif

Ding, ding, ding.

iffandonlyif

O Broin has no notes.

iffandonlyif

’Micheal Martin knows as much about Sinn Fein as he knows about housing.’

iffandonlyif

O’Brien’s constant muttering will hardly endear him to prospective voters.

Jinglejangle69

Thought Eoin would be stronger.

We will build them.

Who will???

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578777#Comment_118578777

Really weak.

Much stronger in radio.

Cluedo Monopoly

Minister O'Brien is so unlikable and shouty. I don't have any confidence in him whatsoever.

O'Broin does seem to know his stuff. I guess he will get his chance to prove it after the next election.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578809#Comment_118578809

Ah now come on!!

Eoin has no answers.

O Brien out of all people is rinsing him.

iffandonlyif

Third time O Broin has taken umbrage about being hurried by the interviewer.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578777#Comment_118578777

Regardless of whether you believe him or not, he's coming off as incredibly childish to be honest.

FF and FG are more terrified of losing their seats and (more importantly) access and control to SF than anything else and it's reflected every time one of them is in a debate like this - constant playing the man rather than the ball.

I'm no fan of SF myself except as an occasionally effective opposition, but if FF and FG are so confident in their positions then it should be very simple to discredit SF policies.

iffandonlyif

O Broin has no measurable commitments. Saying things like, ‘We need to look at zoning and unlocking unoccupied accommodation.’ That sounds like first stage brain storming.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578665#Comment_118578665

Well said 😁

Dempo1

So, what's the result, I couldn't abide watching Darragh O Brien for more than a few seconds 🤔

screamer

Truth be told none of them have a solution to the housing problem. It’s been like this forever. It’s a situation and a bottleneck that needs too much money and work to fix. It’s not a single term government solution much like the HSE it’s just not fixable. That may not be popular but it is what it is.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578798#Comment_118578798

He certainly has a face for Radio 😁

MBE220d

Is O'Broin still renting himself,

_Kaiser_

That was a car crash on both sides, but this is the quality of politician we elect folks.

Responsibility has to start at the ballot box.

Dempo1

The Row has already commenced on the Late debate 😁

NSAman

Ireland is screwed.

Those in government have no clue, and the opposition have no clue !

O Broin had his arse handed to him on a plate in that

Not what I was expecting at all

What I really found interesting was that O'Broin is telling developers not to mind what SF say in public

My take away from it is,SFF is getting closer

iffandonlyif

I thought O’Brien came across badly but he held his own. O Broin might have hoped to do better, but I don’t imagine he lost any voters and I expect many will have been impressed with his vague prescriptions.

MBE220d

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578866#Comment_118578866

That's okay until you see the others on the ballot box,

iffandonlyif

I would call the debate a draw, but given that O Broin wasn’t able to win a debate on housing in the middle of a housing crisis, you would think O’Brien and the government are the ultimate winners.

PieOhMy

As said above no really winner there but considering the abysmal state of things a nil all draw is a great result for the government.

I mean how can you not score on an open goal for god sake.

blanch152

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/darragh-obrien-takes-the-spoils-in-rte-prime-time-housing-debate-with-unprepared-eoin-o-broin-41311373.html

Seems like O'Broin got hammered.

O'Broin is some spoofer. Ignored every question he was asked by the host and all he said was "we need more houses".

If he is the solution in the next election we are in serious trouble.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579152#Comment_118579152

Yep.

Not anything a lot of us have known for a while.

SF are full of shouting and sound bites.

Not a lot else going on.

Please let them be in government very soon.

As a Dublin renter hoping to become a buyer, It's very very grim out there in the housing market. These two don't inspire confidence.

Emigration is once again on the table. Remote working and cheap flights an absolute godsend. If my missus wasn't made go into the office I'd be gone as my crowd don't give a fiddlers where on the planet I locate to.

Currently handing 2k a month before bills to an investment fund owner and trying to get a deposit together. Ugh

FF/FG have completely fudged the market up. External investors are lauding it up.

Finty Lemon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578863#Comment_118578863

Thats what happens when you've never had a real job and spend your spare cash self-publishing your books to appear clever

Finty Lemon

O Broin has had an easy ride in the media for the last 2 years. He is little more than an ageing student union debater with zero experience of the real world economy.

On the SF gravy train for years.

emo72

That was classed as a debate? The biggest critical issue we have, and what, 15 minutes on the national station? Rte presenter couldn't handle them. Let them dodge questions. Then again it's probably a great result for rte, they don't want to hurt their paymaster, current or future.

That was absolutely diabolical. That needed about 2 hours, to try and pin the fuckers down and get an answer out of them. Basically they were both running the clock down from the start. They only had to not **** up for 15 minutes. And rte are hyping this all week? Ah lads. Go home, rte you are an embarrassment.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578927#Comment_118578927

They are illegal immigrants living in this country. Do you not think they already have somewhere to live?

Nothing to do with it.

Timing belt

I really expected O'Brion to have answers seeing as he was the one calling for the debate and up to tonight he sounded like he knew what he was talking about and had a plan.

My take away was that O'Broin will concentrate on social housing and take all the resources away from developments for FTB's as he couldn't explain how more housing could be built. Surely he knew he was going to be asked that question and had a few answers prepared.

What really took the biscuit was not being able to answer how he would deal with institutional investors and after a bit of waffling says that he would get the council to buy them... nearly fell of my seat because surely he realises that he has alienated all the FTB's by reducing the supply to buy.

orecir

O Brien looked and reflected his housing policy which is unhealthy. .

His constant shouting and interrupting was very unprofessional.

O Broin has some new and exciting ideas which can't come quick enough.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579161#Comment_118579161

An absolute charlatan, and he's top 4 in SF.

We as a nation are screwed. Reduce the number of politicians and increase the pay. We might attract talent to the job

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579464#Comment_118579464

Adding 20 percent to the social housing list at a minimum is related to social housing.

Even at a more basic level asking about immigration should happen, even at the projected builds we are just a standing still given net projected immigration. Now immigration isn't an absolute bad thing but it impacts housing supply and should be discussed.

griffin100

It was like Dumb and Dumber. We need 40,000 extra houses a year........that’s 110 houses per day being released to market........who’s going to build them? Err no one.......every builder and tradesman in the country will be on the mica gravy trail in Donegal.

Well done, Eoin O' Broin.

screamer

So out of touch those two. Saying things like we won’t put money in developers pockets….. vulture funds will be kept out….. well easy to see they don’t understand economics. Construction is a high cost low margin industry. Who is making the money? The tradesmen who are in short supply and earning more than either of those 2 clowns. I don’t blame them though, they got fudged the last recession. I seriously think they need to change the rules for FTB, renting should be seen as ability to pay, smaller deposits and 2 generation mortgages. Why not? If your family don’t want to pay for the house when you’re gone they sell it. It’s already available in other countries. Time for us as a country to explore other options than the usual ould rabble rousing popular sound bites that help no one but a career politician.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579650#Comment_118579650

What a stupid post.

How did we build all our current social houses?

It was an economic boom.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579608#Comment_118579608

What are O'Broin's new and exciting ideas? Because every time the presenter asked him how he would fix the issue he just smiled and talked garbage before saying we need more houses.

He completely deflected the fact that a Sinn Fein controlled Dublin City Council have blocked development at Oscar Traynor Road and O Devaney Gardens.

Sinn Fein are the emperors new clothes and we are going to find that out the hard way in a couple of years time.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579417#Comment_118579417

And claiming an Artists Exemption from Revenue on said books so as not to pay income tax on the sales from them, all while playing the I'm a socialist card.

Same socialist O'Broin I saw in Aniar restaurant in Galway last year dropping a few hundred quid at dinner (no issue, I did the same) but there he was laughing and joking with the sommelier while earlier that week was pretending in the Dail to be a man of the common people. Champagne socialist if ever there was one and he will be found out big time in a few years when he takes on the Minister for Housing role and nothing changes.

There is only 1 solution, supply supply and more supply. And he has no ideas on how to do that.

Jinglejangle69

Ah that was refreshing.

Hopefully more of these debates to expose SF for what they are.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579477#Comment_118579477

Social housing has been the rationale and answer to this for SF for quite a long time. Why wouldn't it be, it's where a lot of their voters are. As others have said SF are very quick on the soundbytes which garner more interest and potentially votes. Their proposed policies by and large and how they might be achieved don't stand up to too much scrutiny at all but that's less of an issue while there is government to blame for all of this.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579744#Comment_118579744

Blackrock college privately educated, 6K a year.

Him and Mary Lou also privately educated , the great saviours of the working poor.

olestoepoke

I watched the debate, if you could cal it that. Reading through this thread it is clear that people are looking for point scoring. Let's be honest neither of them came across well, the presenter Fran should run for office he seemed to know more than the two egits sitting in front of him.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579423#Comment_118579423

Just like first year college dropout (and ironically now Minister for Higher Education) Simon Harris for example?

I'd be careful relying on real world experience to try discrediting politicians you don't like considering the level of "quality" among the FF and FG parties these days.

We have an incredibly weak and ineffective set of politicians in Government. From the likes of Helen McEntee who seems to be more concerned with hand-waving away illegal immigration for the social media kudos, to Leo who has managed to base his entire political career on his public image and social media profile than any actual results, to Micheal Martin who his own party admit can't make a decision without a dozen reports and is only in power because there's no clear successor in FF, or how about Eamon Ryan who may be well intentioned but clearly has no notion of life in the real world.

The bottom line is that I don't think there is even ONE current TD that you could see as effective and who consistently delivers, never mind one who you could see the country getting behind as leader of the Government.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579877#Comment_118579877

Completely agree. I was thinking earlier that the government should have appointed someone more capable than O'Brien to this vital ministry. But for the life of me I couldn't think of anyone. Perhaps Paschal. O'Brien will fail, the only question is how badly.