Cork developments

theboringfox · 27-01-2022 7:36pm

Help to Buy should just be called Help the Developer. Was bit of genius vote buying by FG when all it did was subsidise developers. The money ultimately flows to the person selling property.

jackrussel · 27-01-2022 8:02pm

What roadworks are happening on south Douglas road from the 7th of February that are going to take 21 weeks? Saw a sign up on a pole today

Timing belt · 27-01-2022 8:09pm

Getting rid of the roundabout on the back Douglas road.

https://www.corkcity.ie/en/council-services/services/roads-and-traffic-management/road-improvement-schemes1/projects-in-planning-design-phase/south-douglas-road-junction-upgrade-scheme.html

marno21 · 27-01-2022 9:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118542181#Comment_118542181

Wonderful. The current jams around there are due to bad sequencing of the lights on the other side of the flyover which are on timed sequence not sensor driven sequence.

The city council have gotten into a fierce habit of putting in complex signal controlled junctions powered by sensors only for the sensors to stop functioning correctly and the junctions becoming sub optimal. It’s a pity because with the level of infrastructure in place they could really optimise traffic flows

DylanQuestion · 27-01-2022 9:42pm

Those lights on the other side of the flyover would have been County Council ones. Not sure if that makes a difference. Since they're all City Council now, hopefully they will all line up right. The junction at the Douglas Road badly needs some work done too. Like you said, it is timer based rather than sensor based, so every road gets an equal chance. I think River Walk should be given the lowest priority, and the focus should be on R610 movements. The junction with East Douglas Street is awkward too, although I'm not sure how they would fix that without adding more lights or removing access to the street somehow (maybe no left from the R610 except buses? The City Council are planning similar in the city centre with Summerhill North -> MacCurtain Street, I believe)

Hibernicis · 28-01-2022 12:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118542181#Comment_118542181

Great that they are addressing it but it's a very poor design. Allowing the access road for Willow Park, the Gaelscoil, the Tramore Valley Park and Tramore Athletic to cross the N40 exit slip road is going to impact heavily on the N40 exit slip road, reducing throughput considerable. There is no need for this - there was plenty of space to move this access road and allow the N40 exit slip road flow straight to the South Douglas Road Junction. Now it will require an additional set of traffic lights on the slip road causing traffic to back up. And the success of the overall scheme will absolutely depend on them sorting out the traffic dlflows through the junction on the other side of the flyover, which is the cause of most of the delays at present.

TheChizler · 29-01-2022 2:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118543417#Comment_118543417

It's not just about traffic flow, safety of all road and footpath users needs to be the main consideration. Though I agree its a piss poor design, most issues brought up in consultation were ignored.

iColdFusion · 31-01-2022 3:09pm

Doesn't seem like fantastic value for money at €294k each, anyone know if they had to buy the site?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40795725.html

Built on the former grounds of Farranferris College, the estate includes 68 three-bed houses, eight two-bed houses, and 10 three-bed bungalows.

Built by developers Citidwell, at a cost per home of €294,000, the homes were funded through a combination of private finance from the Housing Finance Agency and a loan from the Department of Housing.

Apogee · 04-02-2022 12:28pm

The ever excellent @CorkCraneCount reporting cranes up at both Carrigrohane and Nth Main St student apartment sites:

https://twitter.com/CorkCraneCount/status/1488140222177153026

https://twitter.com/CorkCraneCount/status/1489558179583307777

Pen Rua · 04-02-2022 1:16pm

The closure of the portion of footpath to facilitate the student housing development is most frustrating. Coupled with the area that is still cordoned off due to the unstable building further up the street...

Corkladddd!! · 05-02-2022 10:21am

I'll take it if it puts life into NMS, walking down it yesterday, the potential is clear if there is some due attention given to the existing buildings and if the council had some kind of decent standard for shopfronts. Standard colours/glazing/fonts would be a start!

ofcork · 05-02-2022 5:10pm

2nd crane gone up in blackpool as well.

ofcork · 05-02-2022 5:20pm

See also milfield garage being cleared out this morning.

cantalach · 05-02-2022 7:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118510456#Comment_118510456

This nerd just got Rick-rolled by your nerdy signature...kudos.

Pen Rua · 07-02-2022 2:59pm

4 derelict properties on North Main Street have been CPO'ed by the city council.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40802430.html

Shedite27 · 07-02-2022 3:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595101#Comment_118595101

How many apartments do we reckon will fit in there

iColdFusion · 07-02-2022 3:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595101#Comment_118595101

Great to see the council taking action like this but also im pretty sure they haven't given any thought into what they want to build there so those buildings will stay as they are for at least another 3 years especially if An Taisce roll along and say they can't be knocked down because they represent the post modern dereliction of our society and its values and should be preserved as is for future generations 😄

In case you think I'm being mad they actually objected to the old junkie haven tax offices on Sullivans Quay from being demolished.

airy fairy · 07-02-2022 4:26pm

City council have CPO'd a few places that'll never see a thing built on it in the next few decades. How long have they land on the Mallow road, that spans quite a distance. Supposed to be for housing. North main st will be the same.

rebs23 · 07-02-2022 5:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595528#Comment_118595528

Should be just sold off to those with the best proposal for redevelopment within a specified time frame.

iColdFusion · 07-02-2022 6:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596294#Comment_118596294

Id imagine they will be gifted to one of the social housing bodies like Tuath, handing them over to a private developer would cause uproar.

the beer revolu · 08-02-2022 2:54pm

@iColdFusion That old junkie haven housed an art college on 2 floors and also provided art studios for well over a hundred artists, across 2 organisations. It had gallery spaces, drama spaces and an auditorium.

I know it was divisive, but I genuinely liked the building. It, certainly needed investment and some tlc, but I don't see what was so bonkers about An Taisce wanting to preserve it.

It's an empty lot now.

I, for one, am glad that the conversation was had about preserving it. There are more ways than one of looking at almost anything and we should have these conversations.

iColdFusion · 08-02-2022 3:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118600118#Comment_118600118

Well everyone is entitled to their opinion but to me it was a concrete monstrosity located in what is otherwise a very historic part of Cork City, looking at it again in streetview it reminds me of an evil corporation's headquarters from Judge Dredd or Blade Runner.

For a finish the council were begging BAM to demolish it because it had become a haven for junkies living there, dumping needles around the area, random fires and general shite.

One of their projects managers did tell me a funny story of getting a security call out when it was demolished to find some hippy types types had scaled the fence and were trying to plant flowers in the concrete rubble 😄

whisky_galore · 09-02-2022 3:17pm

I didn't mourn the building but do feel sorry about the ever shrinking available spaces for the arts community.

There's so much BS around festivals at Ireland being great for music/dance/visual arts, in reality it isn't. This country would rather force people into 'proper' jobs.

Apogee · 09-02-2022 4:35pm

https://twitter.com/AlanHealy/status/1491383167042924548

ShamoBuc · 09-02-2022 6:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118606246#Comment_118606246

R and H Hall apartments has a nice ring to it.

As far as the eyesore itself goes, the sooner it is gone the better.

the beer revolu · 10-02-2022 7:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118606246#Comment_118606246

This is great news to me.

While I suspect it will not be cost effective and will not happen, at least it is being considered.

I find it interesting that I, and most people I know with whom I've discussed it with, like this building but the people who dislike it just can't seem to fathom that others do not share their view.

rebs23 · 10-02-2022 10:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118609094#Comment_118609094

In fairness it's a difficult building to like. The buildings that are proposed are much better looking and these buildings were built on what was once a public park so maybe there is an inbuilt historical dislike of the way these buildings simply ruined a nice area. These buildings and associated buildings were/are also responsible for a large amount of truck movements that simply have to get out of the city centre so we can create a more sustainable development pattern in our city centre. As for retro fitting them, it would be an absolute nightmare if they are even in half the state the developer claims they are. Concrete cancer, old rusted beams. If I remember correctly there were fires and explosions in them over the years?

Shedite27 · 10-02-2022 11:03am

There's definitely a line somewhere we need to draw between keeping something because it's been there ages, versus knocking it because it's ugly. I wouldn't be disappointed to knock that whole block and start afresh

the beer revolu · 10-02-2022 11:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118609558#Comment_118609558

Ugly is subjective. Therein lies the problem with these kind of arguments.

To me, the R&H Hall buildings have a brutal beauty, as did the Government building on Sullivan's Quay. You may not agree but you can't say that I'm wrong (while being reasonable). I am far from alone in this opinion.

Anyway, makes little difference as I can't see these buildings being preserved and the Sullivan's Quay building is gone.

iColdFusion · 10-02-2022 2:25pm

Jesus planners are so full of shite, the developers have told them it's a death trap and I assume provided engineers reports to back that up and the council are like "Yeah but can you not throw millions of euro at it to leave it uninhabitable instead of knocking it down and building something useful"

You'd swear people wernt crying out for housing close to the city and the council's development plans aren't entirely based on stopping people commuting in!

"It seems that R&H Hall is technically deteriorating as a structure and that its retention is not economically viable," planners wrote.

"Given the successful re-use of some silos internationally it would be ideal that some elements of the silo illustrating its scale be retained to acknowledge its significance and keep a strong sense of place. A financial overview of the cost implications of retaining a full-height portion of R&H Hall through re-enforcement of the existing structure is requested to be provided to demonstrate the full implication of reuse of parts of the structure and this will better inform a decision."

The Council said the section of the retained silo would not need to be habitable or even usable. "Most realistically at the very least would exist as an installation feature illustrating the original function of the building," the council said.

the beer revolu · 10-02-2022 2:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118610442#Comment_118610442

I have 2 observations on the above comment;

Developers will ALWAYS take the cheaper option. They are never going to willingly spend money on anything that does not generate income. They don't like preserving structures because it is costly. This is why we have planning stipulations and requirements.
A housing crises should not be used as an excuse for weak planning.

iColdFusion · 10-02-2022 5:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118610641#Comment_118610641

So why didn't the council buy this site and develop it themselves? We have a massive need for housing in walking distance to cities and the government would have given them a blank cheque?

Answer: Council planners know nothing about actually building and soon enough we will see the effects of the end of the SHD option with planning grinding to a halt around the country and projects being delayed for years because local planners are arty farty pencil pushers who can't be fired and do everything in their power to make it look like they are busy.

Seriously all this crap does is make projects unviable financially and drag them on longer than the need to, best case all that extra cost gets passed onto joe public in higher apt or office space prices, worst case delays it long enough until the next recession hits and nothing gets built, don't forget there was loads of talk about this site circa 2007 too.

2Beamzplz · 10-02-2022 10:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118610641#Comment_118610641

Just curious but have you insight into the industry that would back up "always taking the cheaper option".

Anecdotally from seeing comments online, those in favour of retaining tend to be those that rail against ubiquitous glass boxes. What's so special about this box grey concrete box?

Shedite27 · 10-02-2022 11:08pm

I can see what the planners are doing, when these type of restorations are done well like the Gasworks in Dublin and the Battersea power station, they look great. This kinda feels like one of the planners saw something in an Architects magazine and was waiting for something half suitable to pop up and try to build it here.

I appreciate beauty is subjective, but you don't hold onto something unsightly just because its old.

Markcheese · 11-02-2022 9:33am

The planners didn't say that r+h hall has to be kept or restored , they put forward that they'd like it to be included in a building ,

The planners aren't the ones on site , checking structural integrity - nor designing a building to include the grain silo , they're planners and architects . if it could be done well then they'd be in favour of it ... End of ...

the beer revolu · 11-02-2022 3:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118613416#Comment_118613416

Your last sentence made me laugh.

It stated that you appreciate that beauty is subjective but then went on to demonstrate that you don't appreciate that at all!

All in one sentence.

Apogee · 23-02-2022 2:53pm

https://twitter.com/torban69/status/1496081702023835650

snotboogie · 23-02-2022 4:47pm

Crane No 20 currently up in the city

Apogee · 24-02-2022 7:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/113159551#Comment_113159551

Given green light by Cork Co Co.

http://planning.corkcoco.ie/ePlan/AppFileRefDetails/206955/0

who_me · 25-02-2022 3:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686899#Comment_118686899

Big news for the South docklands development. Not much can/could move ahead with the OCP plans (pretty much the centre city side of the South Docklands) as long as Gouldings are there; though obviously it'll be some time before they're ready to move out and the site can be remediated.

opus · 28-02-2022 12:59pm

One of those wooden bench setups appeared on Popes Quay over the w/end, is this the first one north of the Lee?

DylanQuestion · 28-02-2022 2:38pm

Off the top of my head. East Douglas Street (Douglas), Douglas Street (City Centre), Watercourse Road/Thomas Davis Street, Cook Street, Wandesford Quay, North Main Street, Evergreen Road, Tory Top, Ballincollig, South Mall. Not 100% sure about the Blackpool one, though

whisky_galore · 28-02-2022 2:38pm

They could put in proper street furniture, not these recycled pallet things that'll end up getting burnt out.

DylanQuestion · 28-02-2022 2:55pm

I prefer proper street furniture too but they have been doing that too, by putting proper backs and alternating hand rails (so it isn't anti homelessness) to the big blocks on Grand Parade, Cornmarket Street and Patrick Street. The handy thing about those benches above is that so much is squeezed into a small space, especially in terms of planting. The new ones being installed (with the nice green metal) are much better than the original ones installed so they are looking at improvements