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Yet another young woman attacked by a male. When will it end?

  • 02-02-2022 5:06pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    First we had Aisling Murphy murdered while running.

    Then we had the "white 40s male" who attacked another girl who was out running, from the other thread.

    And now we have a young woman walking home who was brutally beaten by a 13 year old male for aboslutely no reason (not that there is ever a good reason)

    It is outrageous. What the hell is wrong with these guys that they do this?

    The worst is, this 13 year old male will face no significant consequences whatsoever, which will only embolden him and he we be back out on the streets and will continue to be a danger to girls and women.


    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    I'm more shocked that they felt the need to mention the skin colour of the perpetrator, a shocking display of racism from the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    What exactly is the craic with ‘some’ of this generation of male teens… ? Out stalking women and then violently attacking them ? Absolute ghouls….

    Seems that there is a particular weirdo, violent, and malevolent undercurrent to elements of that generation…not good to see..



  • Registered Users Posts: 14 Warwick green


    Another in Stephen's green yesterday, woman in her 50s attacked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It wasn't an attack on a female, they would have attacked anyone who was there regardless of their sex or race or creed - am I doing this right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    These kind of attacks never happened before. Never in history. Now it's like one a day. I blame video games like Wordle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Your lack of comment on the thread concerning the case of a homeless man attacked and hospitalised by a woman who then went on to kill himself is noted by the way. She received community service.

    No one wants to see anyone attacked or abused but this painting of all men as being culpable for these events is sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,164 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    is it possible attacks are happening at the same frequency but the media are reporting it more as it’s popular?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yet another young woman attacked by a male. When will it end?

    It is outrageous. What the hell is wrong with these guys that they do this?

    I'm curious... what do you expect the vast majority of men, who don't behave this way, and don't socialise with such nutters, to do about it?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well,yes, but if it was a white male who was attacked or called names no one would care.

    Call a group of black people names and its racial abuse and this matter is to be broadcast all over the airwaves.

    Im wondering if a group of red haired freckled people walked down the street in Lagos and their "scum" shouted hiya Paddy,you red haired milk bottle would that make Nigerian media headlines,would the Nigerians sit around and ttalk about how terrible it all is.

    If a group went to China for the next leg of their journey and a lout shouted,hey roundy eyes carrot head, would the chinese media self flagellate themselves,answers on a postcard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I know you're right, it's f**king awful how tough we have it as white males in rich countries, it's like the whole world is against us :(



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Yet another thread about an attack because the victim is female?

    Was there a thread for this attack two weeks ago? Or do male victims just not matter?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,304 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I think it was more to prevent an outpouring of racism/xenophobia...which was entirely possible/likely given recent events



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    The Night Jack Woolley got attacked there was about 10 others attacked by the same group and none of them received press coverage. A person was attacked elsewhere in Dublin the same night and was seriously injured again nothing in the media. There are violent attacks on people everyday.

    The problem is that the media ignores violence against males by focusing on attacks on females, but more males are being assaulted. The scumbags don't care who they attack as nothing will happen to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Male on male violence is more normalised as it's always been a thing - women are seen as more vulnerable in society and if they are being attacked it really makes you think something is rotten.

    I mean it's not rocket science ffs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Thats it , keep running people down for their immutable characteristics, you are doing the right thing and are a good person because of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    That makes no sense.

    Tell the lad who gets his face smashed in and gets brain damaged that women are more vulnerable and see what they say!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    it's just so sad that when these things happen the usual absolute gobsh*tes come out with the "waaaa what about us what if we were attacked no one would care I'm a white male help me"... you're top of the food chain buddy be thankful of that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Yes ! nice one, 100% ! they're all crying and they are all guilty !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Have a little chat with every scumbag whose mummy and daddy didnt raise them right.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yikes.

    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but that has come across as incredibly racist and misogynistic.

    I don't believe that my sex or my colour makes me better or worse than anyone else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    It will never end, violent crime has been there since the dawn of time and it will continue till the end of time. The victims are the ones who have the best shot of reducing it happening to them. Its awful sad but you cant protect everyone all of the time so the onus is with the individual alot of the time for there own safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    If ever there was an opportunity to use the annoying phrase but here goes

    Check your privilege



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    It is awful about that poor man, but women attacking homeless men who then go on to commit suicide is not really a societal issue. It is a complete outlier, a very rare event unlikely to be repeated at any significant frequency.

    Violence and harassment against women and girls by males is a major societal issue that is an epidemic. It is happening every day of the week.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    edit.


    People already have their mind made up by polarising articles

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We're also more likely to be attacked.. and strength/ability to defend yourself isn't shared equally among all men, so the risk is just as high, regardless of being physically stronger than women.

    The point being that any violence in society should be remarked upon, with us seeking to minimize it from occurring. Not just when it happens to women, which is what the current media efforts seem to imply.

    Still, I do agree that there's little value in pointing out the violence directed towards men, in response to threads like these. Then again, I see little value in these kind of threads either, because there is little in the way of practical suggestions for reducing violence towards women, that doesn't resort to painting all men as being responsible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    We can see from the start of this thread that you were the first to make a very reactionary comment. You used this attack as a springboard to gain an advantage and feeling of superiority over others...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sure, that works somewhat, but wouldn't it also make sense to have the same chat with the parents to ensure that brothers aren't raised with the same beliefs? Provide training to all parents in how to raise their children, to avoid this kind of outcome. Perhaps also take a look at their education, and what experiences they had to turn them into such ****.

    Still.. Thanks for giving an answer to my question.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Why is it awful ? He was an Irish man as far as Im aware, that guy was born top of the food chain didn't you know !? So don't worry about it, he'd only be crying poor me anyway if he'd have survived.

    You've won me over to your side guys Im all on board with the crowd now.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I don't know what fuels these sort of scumbags but unfortunately it does seem to be happening with alarming regularity at the moment.

    As for what can be done?

    Well, for starters, more Gardai (and I mean a sh1t ton more) recruited so there can be an increase of visual policing. And also actually bring Gardai equipment up to a modern day standard. Body cams and stab vests as standard issue would be a start.

    Secondly, and equally as important we have a full review of judiciary sentencing, especially for crimes of a sexual nature. If mandatory sentencing is the only way to head off soft touches such as Martin Nolan, then fire ahead and do it as far as I'm concerned.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Only if you’re looking to actually solve the problem rather than generate donations for useless NGO’s.

    People saying they would attack anyone presumably would call for more police on the beat in those areas.

    How do people claiming sexism(edit) is the problem intend to fix it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    ^^^ more of the usual "training and education" bullcrap there @[Deleted User]

    The problem with that , and the likes of consent training and so on, is that it is all totally preaching to the choir and the converted. The people who might be inclined to avail of that sort of training and actually take some sort of heed of it are probably not the sort of people who will be out battering harassing passersby and raping people.

    The sort of scumbag or mentally ill person who does engage in that behaviour would not give 2 fuks about that sort of training, and if they were somehow made to attend it, they would just laugh at it and take no heed of it whatsoever. it would probably embolden them further if anything.

    People just don't seem to understand the class of bastard you are dealing with when it comes to this sort of street harassment and violence.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    "waaaa what about us what if we were attacked no one would care I'm a white male help me"... you're top of the food chain buddy be thankful of that.

    Stupid statement.

    One could say it's the same way a female in the western world is top of the food chain and protected by all civilised men.

    Civilised men can't stop scumbags attacking or killing civilised men or women.

    Scumbags are Scumbags

    By your rhetoric, all violence against white rich people is irrelevant because we are top of the food chain.



  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wow! Shouldn't you be out cleaning a beach, or some thing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭yagan


    Going by the thread title does it make it right if it's women attacking women?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The problem with that , and the likes of consent training and so on, is that it is all totally preaching to the choir and the converted. The people who might be inclined to avail of that sort of training and actually take some sort of heed of it are probably not the sort of people who will be out battering harassing passersby and raping people.

    I didn't say anything about consent classes, because I do believe they're a useless idea.. not only for the reason you stated, but because they'll invariably be created by feminists intending to push their ideology, similar to what happens in "women's studies" courses.

    People just don't seem to understand the class of bastard you are dealing with when it comes to this sort of street harassment and violence.

    Oh... I suspect most guys do, because we've had our own run-ins with such people either while growing up, or as adults. We also are aware that they're not representative of most guys around.

    Earlier in the thread, I asked you for what you believed men should be doing to stop this kind of violence... since you chose to start the thread. Or was it just to provide a platform to complain further about men, and violence?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The funny thing is with everyone arguing I don’t think anyone disagrees with this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Honestly? Never. It’s happened since time immemorial and will continue until the end of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    A badly reared 13 year old there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Utterly fascinating the sudden interest in violent attacks , I'd like to know when and end of the hysteria will come.

    There are sadly , numerous violent attacks daily in Ireland and barely a whisper about it until very recently.

    It's shocking of course and nothing new, I don't have or pretend to have the answers but enough of the Hystera already. There was more commentary on social media yesterday about the color and accent of a suspect than the actual victim of one attack and it speaks volumes on the sincerity of most commentary.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Top of the chain for suicide, homelessness, murder, violent assault, death in work, depression. Top of the world Ma!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    The 'civilised man'/'scumbag' dichotomy is very simplistic and misguided.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    In these times of righteousness and equality isn’t it sexist to view women as more vulnerable. What would happen if AGS or the Irish army or any company in Ireland had a hiring policy of men only, as women are more “vulnerable”??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,692 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Well played "New Poster".

    You got the utter sh!theap of a thread you were fishing for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How many reports do you read of females violently attacking males in the press every week? One, in recent memory. I can't remember the last one before that. That makes it newsworthy.

    Whereas males attacking other males is so commonplace now, that it's not seen as worthy of reporting. The male victims of those attacks are no less deserving of sympathy, its just not seen as newsworthy.

    It shouldn't need to be said that NO ONE should be attacked when going about their business.

    However, males attacking others (both males and females) appears to be increasing.

    Instead of making it a gender war about whose cases are more deserving of press reports, lets concentrate on the issue that violent attacks seem to be occurring with greater frequency, and it needs to be addressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    A thirteen year old attacking a women and causing serious injury isn't normal, if an attack can ever be normal. The little **** will no doubt go on to bigger and better things if not caught.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    @[Deleted User] i know you didn't mention consent. The point I am making is that any sort of "education" of that ilk, whether it be consent training, anti-violence training to teens or their parents, or any other sort, is not going to lodge with the target audience you need to get through to, because they are either not interested or incapable of taking it in.

    Can you honestly imagine taking 10 scobie tracksuited teenagers into a room and preaching to them how they should respect people and not harass or assault them on the street? They'd laugh at you and probably throw a chair at you just to prove to you that they couldn't give a flying fuk about you, your opinion, basic respect, or anything else.

    What is also nonsense is more Gardai. Aisling, the girl in Kilkenny, or the girl in Cork would still likely have been attacked if there were twice the number of gardai in the force. Unless you have a Garda at every street corner and every canal tow path and every off-road footpath, then it makes no difference because these bastards don't give a crap about the Gardai and know that they will get away with nearly most things short of a life murder.

    What is the answer? I don't know. Show me someone who does have the answer then?

    I'm thinking sentences should be increased and it might help some small bit, but that does nothing to curb those who are mentally deranged to do what they do because the have no empathy and are impulsive and can't help themselves.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    The 13 year old is particularly disturbing. You’d have to wonder what men as a whole could possibly do to stop the likes of that. Where are his parents in all of this is the obvious question? If my son had done something like this at that age, or any age for that matter I’d have been horrified.



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