Yet another young woman attacked by a male. When will it end?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573594#Comment_118573594

Even without women being told to do the same, most of that list is pure craziness and terribly impractical. How does it work with crossing the road, when there's women on both sides of the road, including those in front, and behind you? I can just imagine, say, 10 men jumping from one side of the road to another whenever a woman appears, getting stuck off the footpaths and the traffic accidents reports skyrocketing. Even without the Traffic accidents, it sounds like a performance in a musical. Frogger, the musical, coming to a road near you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573582#Comment_118573582

Or maybe men should stop attacking, raping and murdering women. I think that's a better solution.

That's a great idea. By God I think you have solved it, helto. I'm nominating you for a Nobel Prize! The World is a safer place thanks to your efforts.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573626#Comment_118573626

Constant harassment. Just constant everyday bombardment of harassment. I'm sure you can't move for the harassment.

Get over yourself.

generic_throwaway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571774#Comment_118571774

I guess the media focuses more on attacks on females than on males because women are more vulnerable? Like, if we continued down the spectrum of vulnerability to elderly people or small children, would you say that attacks on these deserve more attention than attacks on adult men? (with the proviso that all attacks are reprehensible, of course)

The other thing that might be a factor is that by and large, these attacks are usually carried out by men.

generic_throwaway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573623#Comment_118573623

I think women probably know that their views would not exactly receive a ringing endorsement at this sausage fest.

Dakota Dan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573498#Comment_118573498

What a load of nonsense.

opendoors

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573736#Comment_118573736

Ok Dakota Dan tell me why that is

Dakota Dan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573748#Comment_118573748

you are blaming the majority for the actions of a minority, which is both childish and silly.

opendoors

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573763#Comment_118573763

I did not blame them. But for women it always a man. So they say "men" and when they do men say not all men instead of realising it's a crazy way to live as a woman not knowing if they are in there own and a man walks behind if there safe . Im a father of tree sons and four daughters not a raging feminist woman that thinks men need to die. I just think men need to man up

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571847#Comment_118571847

Boards.ie has gone very American it seems....????

I am not sure whether the above post is serious. But that was my first thought. That poster is framing Ireland with an Americanised internet type narrative. And even aping the phrases from over there.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573772#Comment_118573772

I get it, but isn't that a crazy way to live your life? Constantly in fear of every male stranger because of a negligible chance they may do you harm.

Why do women not feel the same fear hopping into a car that could kill them in a crash?

There's a hundred other examples of things that are more likely, but here we are with a society where women fear 50% of the population, and that 50% is told to man up and fix it by literally making themselves MORE of a stranger. It's completely backwards.

bertiebomber

I am a woman & i see it in the MSM men are being attacked from all sides particularly white men. Women can also be responsible for the bad things that happen to them but didnt george Hook say that on his radio show and he was cancelled ? So the all out attack on men is coming from a media narrative thence the out pouring of outrage. Notice they did say a white man attacked the girl in kilkenny if he had been black one they wouldnt have mentioned the colour.....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573623#Comment_118573623

No. It seems reasonable discussion is impossible because two or three people are intent on trolling by blaming all men for rape and attacks on women.

I expect once moderators see this thread, it will be shut down as is what usually happens and then others will blame toxic masculinity or some other bullshit is the reason.

And the cycle will continue

opendoors

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573817#Comment_118573817

I don't believe your a woman and know who George hook is 🤣

gormdubhgorm

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rc/recordedcrimeq22021/

Some recent CSO statistics regarding - (Attempts/threats to murder, assaults, harassments and related offences)

Higher number of assaults among young people -

'The overall number of persons recorded as victims of Group 03 incidents (Attempts/threats to murder, assaults, harassments and related offences) during Q2 2021 was 552 higher (+12.9%) than in the corresponding period in 2020. The numbers of male victims and female victims were both higher (by 14% for males, and 11.7% for females) than a year earlier, and the largest changes were among persons aged under 18, where for males the number of victims was higher by 57.6% and for females the number of victims was higher by 48.8%.'

The greatest percentage of change has been among recorded crime victims - to males under 18 - 57.6%

The second greatest percentage of change has been among recorded crime victims - to females under 18 - 48.8%

https://i.imgur.com/4ZAi2Bt.jpg

In answer to the OP violence will never end in general. It is inherent in the human condition. This can also be exacerbated by a change in the societal condition.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573763#Comment_118573763

I'd look at the post count and the join date before I'd bother conversing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571847#Comment_118571847

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mother-of-student-paralysed-in-assault-thanks-ireland-for-support-1.3844425

This guy was over 6ft tall. Left paralysed and brain damaged.

He wasn't a small guy and he wasn't a small female. Would you like to tell him or his family about his privilege

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573829#Comment_118573829

So like, if I go into a gym, and there's women in there, do I have to cough loudly to get everyones attention, tell everyone I'm directing this at the women, and say "I'm not a rapist, please feel safe while you go about your business". Then all the other men in there will high five me because they all did the same and we're making the world a better place?

Or should I just go in, head down, music in, do my bit and leave? (tbh, I don't go to gyms anymore)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573868#Comment_118573868

Just identify yourself as a woman while in the gym and you wont have to. Remember now these days you can be whatever gender you want and people can't discriminate regardless of surgery.

Worlds gone mad.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573594#Comment_118573594

with the population density increasing that stuff gets hard to do..... best to put men under curfew

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573716#Comment_118573716

How is a woman more vulnerable? Is getting randomly attacked different if you got boobs or are old? They focus on women because the attacks on men are so common they aren't reported on any more. As I said in my earlier post someone else suffered serious injuries in an attack the same night Jack Woolley was attacked, this didn't even get a mention anywhere in the press yet this person suffered life changing injuries. Men are attacking other men also, why aren't there protests in the streets when men are killed?

The problem in this country isn't that men are attacking women it's that people are getting away with violent assaults everyday and now when it's a affected a few women it's a big deal.

riclad

If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time after closing time you might be attacked I think any incident involving a woman gets full press coverage 2 males fighting or attacking another man may get no coverage unless the victim is seriously injured. These people may be under the influence of illegal drugs which can cause some people to act violently or agreesively to any person they see on the street for no logical reason.

NIMAN

Sad as it is to say, but the answer to the question posed in the thread title, is never.

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573862#Comment_118573862

And the scumbag Osborne got 8 1/2 years in jail for destroying his life.

Lovely **** country.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571973#Comment_118571973

Oh oh I sense a spectrum incoming

SamStonesArm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573639#Comment_118573639

Of course women are not to blame. Most men don't attack people either.

I bet ya have purple hair 🤣

The question on whether these attacks are more common - or is media reporting more common - is useful given books like Pinkers "Better Angels of Our Nature". Which seems to show that while we read about such crimes - the actual statistics are trending down.

Confounding this of course is that if more people report crimes it is entirely possible for statistics on such crimes to go up even when actual incidents of those crimes stagnate or go down.

The last two years have been a period of tension, uncertainty, anxiety and more. I can entirely believe this has had a disproportionate effect on statistics.

What can be done? Who knows. But whatever the solution(s) I do not think it lies in making this a gender issue - or holding men accountable for a small minority of nut jobs who are also men. That makes as much sense to me as holding men with mustaches accountable for the actions of Hitler.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571908#Comment_118571908

Normal people are normal people. Which is most of us. Absolute irredeemable scum is exactly that too. But I suspect that is a very small minority.

In between those two I suspect - going on just my personal experience - there are some "scum" we can "save". Who and how is the question.

In my own locality there was a group of kids who were pretty bad. Some people parroting the usual "irredeemable", "Just Scum" "Lock them up" narratives. One example of many - these kids were doing things like following an old lady who was struggling with the weight of her shopping - and verbally intimidating her and physically jostling her.

I ended up stepping in with these kids - which in retrospect was pretty damn dumb. I could have been killed for all I knew.

But I got to know them and change them and they turned out to be really lovely kids. And when Covid hit we did things like bring shopping to old ladies who needed to isolate. Some of their gardening. And more recently they sat and had cookies baked by one of the little old ladies and listened to her tell stories of her child hood in Ireland.

When I left Ireland for some weeks awhile back I came back to Dublin Airport to find they had made a huge 10 foot long banner in all colors with a welcome home message for me. Very thoughtful.

So I wonder at times how many are actually lost to us. My anecdote is a single anecdote. So we can not use it to leap to any ideas or conclusions. But the experience moved me so deeply that I can not hear phrases like "scum are just scum" quite the same way any more. How many actually are?

What a lot of kids need is just an investment of some time. But often as parents or as a society or as individuals we do not have that time to offer. I had a bit and I invested it. And the results were transformative. Both for them and for me. One of the truly rewarding highlights of my life that will be with me on my death bed.

Can I translate that positive experience into anything useful to answer a thread like this however? Probably not. But if someone came to me asking questions like on this thread about "What can I actually do to have any impact on these statistics of violence that is not simply ridiculous virtue signalling" I would probably honestly say "Well I genuinely don't know" but then give some ideas for what _might_ help all the same.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573479#Comment_118573479

Rapes are committed by rapists , rapists are not normal people, a normal person cannot rape

Hangdogroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574016#Comment_118574016

His sister attacked an elderly neighbour a year or two later.

Dakota Dan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573859#Comment_118573859

Thanks, I forgot about that.I tried that and his profile is private, looks like open doors isn’t so open doors after all.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573772#Comment_118573772

So your basically saying it's ok for some women to blame all men when they say "men", when some people do this it's disgraceful and annoying and should never be tolerated.

is_that_so

Of the recent cases, one person has been arrested for the St Stephen's Green incidents (2 of them) and Gardai have a very definite line of enquiry on the Cork attack.

pauly58

I was talking to my brother the other night & he was telling that one of his young girls came home from school & said one of her classmates had told the teacher to fu*ck off, I said what did the teacher do, he said she just turned round & walked away.

Now I'm in my sixties & I'm sure other posters of this age will agree, that if they had said that to a teacher when they were at school, the consequences would have been painful to say the least. There is always a minority of kids that you can't debate & reason with & unfortunately , this group have had no discipline in the home or at school. They have no respect for anyone or anything, the answer in my opinion lies in my previous post.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573712#Comment_118573712

I assume the logic is that a woman was attacked by a minor. 13 years old does not make a man. The OP was probably worried she'd be torn apart if she called a 13 year old a man...

Which is fair enough in my mind. I doubt many male posters are all that annoyed over the title in that respect.

There are hardly any women contributing to this thread.

It seems to be men talking to themselves and answering back.

But there are female posters in the thread, and most of the discussions I've had so far on the thread were with posters who had female views on the topic.

There are more males on boards than females.. but so what? It's remarkably sexist to assume that some men won't agree, sympathise, or have an interest in the same things as female posters. Also, it's worth considering that the most aggressive, and even abusive posts on the thread, have come from posters which we might guess to be female. (I'm always hesitant to assume the gender of posters on an anonymous forum)

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574744#Comment_118574744

Looking at the OP's posts on the likes of the Irish defence forces, they're a bloke.

And realistically, if we have this equipment, what actual material benefit is it? Oh we'd have a radar so we could see TU95s. Great... so what? Then we'd have a few interceptors, so we can fly beside them for 5 minutes. Great....so what? So does every other air force along northern and western europe. The Russians are gonna do it anyway, so what the hell does it matter? We should just let them at it. At the end of the day Russia are not a threat to Ireland in any material way. In the unlikely even of there being any confrontation, it will be between Russia and other EU forces, so we will just fall under the protection of their umbrella.

Call me old fashioned but ladies don't talk like that.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571898#Comment_118571898

Of course they don't understand it ,they are academics of the gender studies variety ,devoid of any clue as to how things are in the real world.

No common sense

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574744#Comment_118574744

Maybe that is it, that it was a minor. Fair point.

Yes, it is always dangerous (and sometimes surprising) to guess who is a man or woman, or other. I would not be so quick to assume OP is a woman either.

I actually don't agree that the most aggressive posting comes from posters who you might guess to be female. It might just be pitched to look that way which is just another way of generating hysteria and making women look unreasonable and shutting down real discussion which is disappointing.

CreadanLady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574129#Comment_118574129

You'll find though that an awful of them have a good act of normality and can be sweet as pie in public and seem like great fellas but they turn the act off like a light switch when in private.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574841#Comment_118574841

I actually don't agree that the most aggressive posting comes from posters who you might guess to be female. It might just be pitched to look that way.

Maybe, but in my experience from posting/responding to the thread, that's what I encountered. Perhaps they were males supporting female centric viewpoints. Maybe. I don't really care, because I don't think it's all that relevant. People post their views to boards.. that's enough.

I don't think it's enough to dismiss the thread because many of the posters involved are, likely, to be male.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118572679#Comment_118572679

Pfff, that diagram is saying unequal pay leads to gang rape. What kind of nonsense is this? Anyone can make a diagram.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574874#Comment_118574874

I do think its very relevant.

Of course men can support women's viewpoints and vice versa, but it is also important that real women's voices are heard, and that's not coming across here unfortunately. Anyway, people can make up their own minds on it.

crossman47

I wonder if there is an element of reaction in these attacks to the coverage of the Tullamore murder. These young men will not read or study any in depth articles but may have the impression from social media that males are being blamed for all wrongs. They'll then react in a violent way. I'm not condoning any of the attacks in any way but just wonder if this may be a factor.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574973#Comment_118574973

So they look at social media and see men making out that the world is against them and retaliate by attacking a woman?

bertiebomber

The little canadian girl was murdered by her dead eyed english boyfriend whom she came over to visit with in November. She was due to go back to Canada this week. Someone on here observed that he looked dead eyed and over tatooed and was more than likely the perp well hes been charged what a bastard must have been some kind of incel.

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118575543#Comment_118575543

Maybe we should all avoid white males with tattoos - scumbags the lot of them.

bertiebomber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574119#Comment_118574119

I commend you and to be honest all they want is attention making the mother of the house go out to work was a bad decision in our country. making having a roof over your head require two salaries also a wrong one but we cant go back , sadly,.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574861#Comment_118574861

Yeah you've just described a sociopath/pyschopath

And we know that all men aren't sociopathic and/or psychopathic? Right!?

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574965#Comment_118574965

What's a real woman?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574965#Comment_118574965

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573623#Comment_118573623

Why would they?

I was immediately attacked for revealing I'm a woman on another thread about male violence, and accused of "posting dishonestly". So why bother?

My experience of these threads is that most of those posting here simply aren't interested in listening to a woman's view on this. They're more focused in ranting about how "all men are being victimised", instead of focusing their attention on the actual problem that violent attacks on our streets (on both men and women) appear to be escalating. It cannot be denied that the vast majority of those violent attacks are being made by men.

When the discussion turns to what can actually be done to make EVERYONE more safe, maybe more women will engage.

Hellrazer

Tax - Im not going to quote your whole post but I couldnt agree more - all these kids need is someone to work with them. A few years back I took it on myself to help 15-17 year olds from lets say disadvantaged areas (Inner city Dublin) and got them work experience, apprenticeships etc - I got a few of them into apprenticeships when they wouldnt have had a chance in hell of getting a job anywhere and the majority of really got their lives together. I still get Xmas cards every year from them thanking me for the opportunity.

They just need a bit of TLC and I think more importantly a really strong role model.