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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭MOH


    Not really, considering they vilified pubs for two years while insisting schools were safe, despite schools being the main driver of at least one wave of Covid.

    That said, says everything about the media in this country that none of them are asking what the justification is for maintaining such restrictions now in the supposedly safe schools, when everywhere else in society has opened up. Don't think there's a single actual journalist left in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,792 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Schools are safer than pubs though, in schools you can very easily contact trace and you can antigen test all the kids and teachers daily.

    Our govt did neither - which actually made schools less safe than pubs... Only in Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    Don't want to be negative here, and I noted happily that they weren't going to announce cases in hospitals and ICU numbers over weekends anymore in the media.

    However, on listening to the news yesterday RTE just said there were 3,872 cases yesterday and made no reference to the numbers that occurred on Saturday and Sunday!

    Fortunately my update from Journal.ie sorted that out, it seems there were 26,000 new cases between PCR and DIY tests, Saturday, Sunday and Monday inclusive, so cases as bad as ever it seems to me!

    WTF RTE don't publish Deaths on a Daily basis is a National Disgrace. Publishing once a week nullifies the effect and sweeps the issue under the carpet.

    Even Boris's crew for all the things going on there and also N. Ireland give out proper stats on a daily basis including Deaths. Reporting like that is needed to frighten people who haven't taken the vaccine to get it. We are too softly softly here.

    In fact it sounds to me like our Government are in denial and trying to tell everyone we are safe now whereas that cannot be the case! Unless the vaccine stats get near to 100% we will be back in the mire come the next awkward variant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    ''Reporting like that is needed to frighten people ''

    WHAT??? We need to move on from this, it is not healthy to want to encourage to frighten people to do something.. not healthy AT ALL.

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,643 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    My wife was turned away from the driving test center this morning because she hadn't taken an antigen test in the last 24 hours. Shes fully boosted and not sick at all, which is why she hadn't. Apparently this came into effect on January 17th however it seems they didn't tell anyone that had already booked about this new requirement. Talk about a farce, going backwards.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    According to RSA they ask you, but don't need to see the result.. its the same for driving lessons as far as I know..its for the tester, so you don't knowingly get into the car with covid.

    RSA website notes, you dont have to bring the test result with you and show anyone.. so its up to the person-to be honest or not.

    I think prior to this, you had to be vaccinated - I could be wrong here too.. going on driving lesson info and not driving test..

    From Monday 17 January 2022, you must take a covid-19 antigen test within 24 hours of your driving test. This is to reduce the risk of spreading covid-19. 

    • Please take your antigen test at home and before coming to your test. You don't need to bring it with you to the test centre. 
    • Your driver tester will ask you to confirm that you’ve taken an antigen test and that the result was negative.
    • If you haven’t taken an antigen test or have a positive result, your driving test won’t go ahead. You will be sent a new invitation to book another driving test free of charge.

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One side thinking RTE reporting deaths once a week is sweeping it under the carpet, the other thinking it is to have a suitably high number to increase the fear. The reality being the figures are only released once per week by the HSPC for about the last 8 months. This being because daily death numbers are meaningless because the proximity of reporting to actual day of death varies massively depending and where and on which day it occurs and you had one sidew always shouting "Doom" at a high number on a Tuesday and the other shouting "its over" at a low number on a Sunday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Ya, I heard about something about this but you just have to say you've done it and don't need to show proof of a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,643 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Unfortunately she didnt cop why he was asking her that and told the truth, test over. In fairness they will reschedule for free because of this but the stress of waiting for the test etc isnt nice to have to go though all over again for nothing. Now i've got to go on more drives with her around the test route bored to tears! I dont know who is more upset about it :D

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Ya, it's understandable.

    I suppose all you can do is email the RSA and make sure they inform learners of it via text/email before hand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    Why are they meaningless here but not in other jurisdictions? The UK benchmark is "any death that occurs within 28 days of a Covid diagnosis I think.

    Anyway, if they can do it once a week , they can do it once a day-show respect to people and stop trying to fool the people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    OK let's use the word encourage instead of "frighten" !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    “While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they’ve imposed enormous economic & social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded & should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”

    Johns Hopkins meta-analysis

    Gosh, what a shock. What a just absolutely blindsiding shock.

    Who could possibly have predicted it?

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    1. Its not big bad RTE reporting it once a week, is big bad HSPC
    2. Daily reporting variations will have less of an impact in a population of 60 million than 5 million
    3. Why does hearing of 7 deaths per day or 49 deaths per week make a blind bit of difference to the amount of respect being shown to people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    Here is the information you are looking for. Its a just a click away.. public health information is always available, its doesnt need to be on the news.

    One look at the graph tells the panic/fear etc is no longer required. There are already terrible deaths reported on the news daily, we don't need Covid deaths called out too.. all that does is frighten the already vulnerable and vaccinate older people.. you can share the information to your friends on social media or to your unvaccinated/unboosted friends, but Ill make a fair guess, you wont be 'encouraging' anyone else to get the vaccine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,643 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    That chart really does tell its own story.

    I saw a post on Twitter from a US doctor saying that for the first time in this epidemic that he has gone though a 12 hour shift in the ER without a single person coming in due to COVID. Really does feel like we are coming out of all this finally.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The only recent reference for a pandemic we had was 1918 and that's what they used back then so... Most countries also didn't have a fit for purpose pandemic plan and just copied others, like China. It looked like the right thing to do especially in the very early days when we had no idea what we were dealing with but not the months long impositions that became the standard approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Oh my god... 2021 called. It wants its bullsh*t back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    To be filed away under ignore by all concerned..

    Sure we're back to normal now anyway with prime time wringing their hands about poor folk on waiting lists.. of course making no reference to their own behaviour and contribution to the discourse..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Unfortunately i think they are. Trust me they are out there, from my own experience dealing with the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Putting things into context:

    In 2017 and 2918 a combined figure of deaths from pneumonia in Ireland was roughly 106,000.

    Total death toll from/with/due to Covid for 2020 and 2021 has been approx 6,100.

    How many do you think would have died of Covid if we did not react to it at all?

    Post edited by walus on

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would advise checking your numbers. If what you say is true 106,000 out of the 60,000 deaths in 2017 and 2018 were due to pneumonia? Can you spot the tiny error



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Ye I'm with @[Deleted User] on this one. In Ireland about 30k - 35k are dying every year. Respiratory disease is a good chunk of that. Something like 15% - 20%. I think you may have a zero too many in there @walus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    King Tony has given us permission to travel, but he keeps banging on about those fȗcking masks 🙄

    "He believes that while the pandemic is not over and that it is safe to return to activities, such as socialising, exercise, work and travel."

    "In his opening address to the Health Committee, Dr Holohan says masks will continue to play a key role in reducing the transmission of Covid-19"

    They're gonna drag the arse out of this covid bullshit for another while yet................



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo



    106,000 deaths from pneumonia in 2017 & 2018?

    Are you sure about that?

    There were 31,140 deaths in Ireland in 2018 and 31,134 in 2019 from all causes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    "In his opening address to the Health Committee, Dr Holohan says masks will continue to play a key role in reducing the transmission of Covid-19, and protective measures should remain in place in primary and secondary schools."


    Very depressing all this

    Pubs are fully back , great news for some but it's really not over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    It’s concerning to me how normalised restrictions are. If a restriction is going to remain in force it needs to be justified. This approach of keeping restrictions because we can’t predict the future with perfect accuracy would never have been accepted before the pandemic and it shouldn’t be accepted now. Unless a meaningful case can be made that without masks and freezing cold school children the hospitals will be near collapse these measures need to be ended.

    Edited to add: We peaked in the last wave with tens of thousands of confirmed cases a day without the hospitals being overrun. Can Holohan / NPHET provide any justification for why lifting the mask mandate and returning schools to normal would result in a situation in excess of that? If not, what’s the point of these restrictions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It truly is bizzare school windows open and nothing being said about it at the top



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    We all know that this is about appeasing the teachers. They are the most important people in schools not the kids.



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