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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    So we are back on track and in broad agreement that the future is in the hands of the Government.

    Writing to TD's and complaining about RTE is unlikely to result in the sort of Public Broadcasting Service that we deserve.

    As I said earlier if that's what people want to do let them at it.

    It's going to take a more considered inclusive process to effect the change that the majority will be happy with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Possibly but it would mean more public money being invested though we don't know the bill until we decide what sort of PBS we want.



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    and how do you think that debate would go when you yourself depict those who want reform as simplistic with only a view to "sack someone, cut someone's pay, close something down, sell something off".

    National Debate is an opportunity to save RTE's skin through astroturfing with useful...supporters... like you giving them the wedge to get through with a direct funding model which is essentially a tax on everyone so that they can continue to deliver content of poor quality. If they had the ability they'd already be producing quality product as they continue year after year not to live within their budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭garrettod


    I also believe that Public Service Broadcasting (PSB) has an important part to play - but RTE aren't delving exclusive PSB, in fact it only represents a minute percentage of what they are doing, and I'm not happy letting them continue squandering tens of millions on non core PSB !

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You are selectively quoting.

    I said -

    Everything should be on the table in the context of an agreed, planned move forward.

    What I reject is a piecemeal solution.



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  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would you make the case to reform a neglectful/abusive spouse our would you advise the other half they would be well rid of them. RTE has dirtied its bib too many times to be given yet another time. enabling them is not a sound policy.

    They deliver little of quality.

    They are unable to live within their means.

    They are not independent of interference while driving their own pet agendas.

    They need to be purged from Society.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The future of RTE is in the lands of the government and its voters on that we agree. You have a rather narrow definition of public service broadcasting if you are assuming it is defined by the government, the current charter model operated by the government is a relic of the 1930s when broadcast technology was in its nascent form. That model is dying with its listeners and viewers and only commands attention for big events like sports. The world has moved on with new content providers, distribution and access methods.

    What is stopping an organisation like the Irish Times competing? The distribution network is mostly in place, and access can be controlled for a subscription. What stops the Irish Times competing head to head with RTE? RTE is possibly a hindrance to development of media content providers in Ireland because its subsidies are distorting the pricing of these services, this is an argument that has been put forward by by its news competitors.

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    Politicians are embracing different media channels, just for illustration this is a screengrab from my youtube feed a day or two after the incident. That's crass was my initial reaction, but then I thought about it. The incident was a break from 24x7 Covid so got excessive attention as a consequence, it is not unusual to have TDs show up at funerals of the people who vote for them, this is just the 21st century way of reaching the voters. Newspapers are always if it bleeds, it leads, they are chasing advertising clicks this is just a new avenue.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I think there is a lot of support for a publicly owned PSB but as you say times have changed and the future is uncertain.

    All the more reason to decide what the country wants a PSB to look like like.

    News and current affairs, sport, culture, music and drama are the areas I consider to be at the core. Of course there are others also.

    The piece about the IT is interesting and of course they are a Trust rather than a purely commercial company and unlikely to be taken over by outside interests.

    I'm not sure they want to get into broadcasting but some sort of synergy between them and a PSB could be fruitful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's a future for public service broadcasting I'm interested in.

    I don't see much comparison to an abusive personal relationship.



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Maybe your sensibilities aren't offended as easily as the rest of ours.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    They get a block grant and trim the operation to fit the amount allocated, if 2FM vanished tomorrow would anyone notice? Same for that Lyric rubbish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes, that's a possibility but I would prefer to decide what we want the operation to do first and then provide the funding for that.

    Why do you want to do away with ads?

    I'm not much of a 2FM person myself but place a high value on Lyric especially when driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Maybe, but then sometimes I think I might have had a sensibilities by-pass.

    Often useful around here 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    From a place where that Lyric drivel wouldn't be considered music,shyte is broadcast on 2 wavelenghs just short of the local radio wavelength so the funeral dirge kicks in while driving out the mountain, nobody North of Navan wants it,

    I hate adverts, they are pointless, the pet hate is charity ads, spending hundreds of thousands that would be better used for actual charity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    OK.

    I get it, you don't like Lyric but I do so let's park that for now.

    I really don't mind ads myself especially if they are helping to finance programmes I like.

    I'm pretty sure that the ads must work for those who place them or they wouldn't bother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Seeing as Moya is sticking her oar in the water again...

    Jan 2015

    SPONSORSHIP MONEY WILL “more than cover” the salary RTÉ is paying Ray D’Arcy, the incoming chair of the national broadcaster has said.

    Moya Doherty made the comments before the Oireachtas Communications today where she came in for strong questioning from TDs over what RTÉ pays some of its star presenters.


    How's all that working out for ya now Moya? He hasn't had a sponsor for large periods (about 3 years) of his time there since you got him in - In 2018 1yr sponsorship was 270k and can now be bought for 210k and still no takers.

    Claire Byrne and Brendan O'Connor also struggling for sponsors. So the contractors - Ray, CB, and BOC getting huge fees and no sponsors. I think the three of them may have something in common outside of RTE but I just can't put my finger on it :pac:

    Perhaps a kitchen de-cluttering company will pay the 350k pa it costs to sponsor Today with CB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭jelutong


    The presenter of Droichid Na hEireann on RTÉ 1said that The Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Bridge spans the River Barrow between Waterford and Wexford.The bridge is 16 Kilometres by road from Waterford. Surely someone should have copped that error.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Dee only has to look at her flagship show tonight, with one of her huge earners.

    It is absolute muck, with terrible guests and even finishing earlier than it used to because they can't fill the time any more. Each episode is as bad as the last one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,218 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    That's terrible tonight - can't even call it an entertainment show



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Tommy Tiernan had Roger Daltrey from 'the Who' on last week, Gabriel Byrne the week before.

    Tubridy has... Dancing with the Staff (former) contestants, and someone who was on the show a month ago. (The Toy Show, but I refuse to watch that).



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As well as avoiding tax by contracting their services from their companies, a number of RTE 'stars' are availing of tax free income from the Artists Exemption provided by Revenue.

    Revenue can make a determination that certain artistic works are original and creative works generally recognised as having cultural or artistic merit. 

    Examples of this cultural or artistic merit includes "JFK in Ireland" by Ryan Tubridy, "Children of the Rising" by Joe Duffy, "In America: Tales from Trump Country" and "The Tribe" by Caitriona Perry.

    No income tax paid on earnings up to €50,000 on these works is a tax saving of up to €20,000 each.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    A new organisation. A blank sheet of paper. A mandate to provide balanced public service broadcasting with no agenda or bias...

    But if you did this you'd surely be bringing back some, probably a lot, of the same people, infrastructure, even programmes (under tweaked formats and different programmes), given how limited a pool Irish broadcasting operates in.

    I'm not sure making a big show of 'scrapping RTE and making a fresh start' would be much more than gesture politics...



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As long as the hiring managers are not part of the old boys network the old staff will not be rehired.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Your shiny new public service broadcaster would literally not employ a single ex-RTE person? I find that hard to believe. Plus it would be a massive challenge for the new organisation to build a rapport with the public if it doesn't feature any familiar faces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It's been a particularly bad & astonishingly dreadful week in output from RTE , I suppose we should allow a little time for presenters to settle back in after their extended Christmas/January break and perhaps they are at a loss on what to do, given the lack of Covid Fillers but mother of God, RTE's programming is dreadful.

    Just look at the awful Gik on last night's Late Late, 5 FEMALE nurses herded up onto the stage whilst Tubs essentially takes the PEE, Joe Duffy on a four day Diatribe on matters he's clearly clueless about and then the utterly Bizzare 75 minute tribute to Noel V Ginnity on Friday, even he seemed completely bewildered by it all.

    I beginning to think there's a Case for RTE to be actually paying people to watch and listen to the garbage they broadcast.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As with any open position the candidates should be judged on their abilities. This is not a revolutionary approach to talent acquisition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just for clarity are you talking about making all the staff of RTE redundant or just presenters?



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd allow them interview for their positions. If not now then when would you put people on notice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes but are you talking about everyone in RTE or just some?



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