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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Transfer of funding elsewhere, more like it. We’re still paying €8m for it, one way or the other. Not that I object too strenuously, to be honest. There’s about 100 musicians in the NSO. It wouldn’t run on much less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭AdrianG08


    More piping up about lack of funds again this morning

    Fair enough, there probably is an argument that "stars" wages make up a very small percentage of spending/losses but when losses are incurred you need to start looking at the quality of the current output, stop whinging about what you cannot make, start worrying about what you are actually making right now.

    I get tired of the LLS bashing to be honest, I don't watch it but theres a cohort who watch it to be annoyed. But saying that, its the flagship of RTE, it should be on point, it should be as close to cutting edge as we get in this country, its a question of taste.

    And right now(and for the last 10 years) its totally representative of a station going down the toilet and millions in debt, thats a fact.

    RTE would not suffer if you simply had a root and branch revolution. Even for the optics of it, they need to be seen to be culling some of these top earners (who simply would not command their wages elsewhere). The average irish joe soap will listen to the same radio slot, watch the LLS regardless of who the hell is hosting/presenting.

    Now the argument will be that losing Tubridy and Duffy etc.... is a brain drain, who will be better on half, even a third of their salary? Well thats down to the executives, they are a problem too. Far too many suits completely out of touch, knowing whats relevant with young/old people. I find the idea that these guys are essential, absolutely absurd. Will the BBC or SKY be trying to poach Tubs or Joe Duffy, will they feck.

    And would Tubridy be a success in the private sector working for Newstalk or the like, where he would actually have to perform (i.e the chairs won't keep getting rearranged to give him the best producers/researchers when ratings start to fall when hes being outperformed by a younger upstart). Who knows, it would be interesting to see if his listeners/viewers are watching/listening to him, or is it just a habit (he just happens to beon that station at that time). Pat Kenny found that out when he left RTE, and Kenny is a good broadcaster in terms of political coverage.

    Make RTE a launchpad for young Irish talent before they go to BBC/ITV/America or whatever. Let them be creative. And foster a culture, a conveyor belt of talent, where up and comers see RTE as the place to breakout, so theres always someone ready to step in when a star wishes to fly the nest. Don't chase our tail offering them huge money to stay. Its an irish public broadcaster ffs, its not HBO, it simply needs to sustain itself whilst producing irish content, sport, news and current affairs.

    I guarantee if the LLS reinvented itself, shorter show, edited, rotating host every week, more people would watch. Be a bit more off the cuff. Something has to give, I am not willing to pay more money, so Blathnaid can maintain her employee status no more than i'm willing to see any licence fee increase go straight into a select fews pocket who command the big salaries either personally or via their company status.

    I simply refuse to believe they cannot make cuts in order to be more streamlined and agile of an organisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Is it clear what alternative funding model RTE top brass favour?

    reliable and effective funding model.

    The 'reliable' bit suggests they are leaning towards direct exchequer funding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭garrettod


    I'd say they are more than open to any alternative funding model, once it permits them to continue doing whatever the want, and pay their cronies whatever they want, without challenge!

    They've upped their game of late, again pushing for changes to their current "restricted" circumstances, to get more money - so its appropriate that we all do the same.

    Don't leave it to someone else, everyone needs to send an email to their local TDs calling for radical change at RTE, before there's any agreement on a new or increased funding structure.

    Thanks,

    G.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭garrettod


    I see that Moya Doherty has been calling for national debate on the future of RTE - let's go and do that (properly) first then...

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    If they go for a broadcasting charge the ads have to go, one or the other, fully commercial or public broadcast,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I have been saying that for some time on here and now I find myself in agreement with Moya Doherty.

    I didn't see that coming but a good idea is a good idea no matter who has it.

    That's exactly what we need to do, decide what we want and then how to pay for it.

    I hope they will go for direct funding because it is the most efficient way to do it.

    No collection costs, no chasing people and TV free at point of use like radio is today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    If there is one, prepare yourselves for the propaganda. I can see adverts claiming we would be lost without them.

    Direct funding would be a disaster, they are already completely inefficient as an organisation already. It needs to go in the opposite direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    You have to laugh when Dee complains about the loophole of those 15% who don't have a TV so don't need to pay a licence fee. She thinks they're watching RTÉ on their computers? Like heck, the only thing anyone can view on Rté player is adverts. Endless adverts.



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  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    but why keep RTE? Shutting down RTE seems almost unthinkable.

    Moya Doherty owes her fortune to an intermission in a big event which RTE funded. She could never be independent.

    There are a couple of key points which those in favour of the Status Quo can't circumvent.

    Those who don't consume should not be forced to pay.

    If paying then the product should not be commercial i.e. no Adverts

    Overreach should not be permitted.

    If it is public service broadcasting it should be beyond reproach and impartial.

    Retaining RTE and funding it satisfies none of the above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I'd like to hear Moya's thoughts on how this 'thorough national debate' would take place and between which parties. Also, how would she envisage that all the little people around the country get their say? Not the 'Have your say' PR stunt which returned 10k submissions.

    Perhaps she might suggest - that at the next referendum/GE, there are a few Q's at he end of the polling card - A bit like the options in the poll at the start of this thread (those %'s are a complete mess since the boards change btw)

    Moya would have lots and lots of 'food for thought' for a debate when the results came in.

    Public Service Broadcasting Moya. This does not mean RTE can throw any ol sh!te at the public and run it like their own personal fiefdom, which seems to be RTE's interpretation of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The link above says -

    Moya Doherty is calling for a "thorough national debate" on media and broadcasting, one that is rooted in the public interest.

    TBH it's hard to argue with that as a starting point.

    We own RTE, it's only reason for existing is to serve the public interest.

    The "national debate" would include those who wish to see RTE closed down and those who think it is ok as it is and every point of view in between.

    Surely it can't be beyond our capacity to decide what we want and how to pay for it?

    As far as I'm concerned myself public broadcasting is a public good and it's right that the public should finance it.

    I think that if we gave over the control of tv and radio to purely commercial companies that we would be poorer as a nation.

    I believe there is a future for public broadcasting and would like to see our news and current affairs, our music and drama, our sport and culture continue to be reflected in the programming.



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    you read national debate and I see the time honoured tradition amongst rent seekers of astroturfing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Well one thing for sure we won't sort it out tonight 🙂

    However it's not world peace or sending a mission to Mars we are trying to sort out.

    I think we will get there in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭drivingmissdaisy


    Don’t know anyone who watches RTE who is not a pensioner , make it subscription and give it to the pensioners for free, if after 2 years there is not enough paying subscribers to finance the running of it sell the lot to the highest bidder.

    Let the “talent” fine there value in the free market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,218 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    However it's not world peace or sending a mission to Mars we are trying to sort out.


    Which is easier than RTE sorting itself out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Very true, anytime I turn on the late late on a friday night & see that smug, smarmy, entitled face acting like he's gods gift to this country. It encourages me NOT to pay the tv licence, the only thing worse would be if it came from general taxation.

    The whole board need to be sacked. Showing years old repeats of Killinascully on xmas day is a slap in the face to the ordinary tax payers of this country. No doubt they were trying to make a point. Rte needs a dose of reality & a good kick up the arse out the f**king door.

    PS: Pensioners deserve much better than this rubbish also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    re: We own RTE, it's only reason for existing is to serve the public interest.

    This is a misconception. RTE is a government sponsored enterprise (semi-state), the Irish public has no ownership claim or stake in the enterprise. The TV licence is a tax on the annual use of television sets, it confers no ownership claim on RTE. You have no voting rights on the election of its executive management. Employees of Intel corporation do not work for you they work for Intel and it's shareholders, likewise RTE employees work for their organisation and it's shareholder. Intel has to serve its customers, manage its resources, remain competitive and develop new products if it is to remain in business.

    RTE per Sean Lemass "Radio Telefis Eireann was set up by legislation as an instrument of public policy and as such is responsible to the Government." If you are unhappy with RTE you must take it up with the government.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's not a misconception.

    RTE is 100% state owned, it has no other shareholder other than the Government who hold it in trust for the citizens.

    Of course a TV Licence doesn't confer voting rights any more than Motor Tax gives you a direct say in which roads will be upgraded.

    Intel is a multi national corporation which is in no way relevant to the discussion on RTE.

    Sean Lemass passed away in 1971. Things have changed over 50 years, for instance the BAI was set up in 2009.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭garrettod


    The BAI is another joke! 🙄😔

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭garrettod


    Quickly getting back to matters at hand - Pa ElGrande is right, everyone needs to take up the matter of RTE with the Government. It's only when politicans are put under pressure by the people that elect them (and more importantly, can also make them redundant), will we see any change for better!

    Dee Forbes and her gang have been cupping away at the Government for quite a while now. If the Government doesn't come under more serve pressure from the outbox, then they'll just give Dee and RTE what they want, to get them off their backs.

    Don't leave it to someone else - everyone needs to put their local politicans under pressure

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Nothing in any of my posts on this discussion has said people shouldn't contact their politicians.

    However ensuring the future of public broadcasting will require a more structured approach.



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stop being an Apologist for Scoundrels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'm not an apologist for scoundrels.

    I believe in Public Service Broadcasting.

    Attack the post not the poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Happened to hear a 2FM quiz this afternoon while on the road. Seemingly just a general knowledge quiz...


    2 of the questions for the first contestant were about Dancing With the Stars - 1 of which was "who was the stand-in host recently?". Unsurprisingly the answer was Lottie Ryan. The contestant didn't know that which is perhaps no surprise given that nobody cares as much about DWTS and/or Lottie as RTE do. Yet RTE continue to shove both down people's throat at every opportunity. Speaking of which...


    The second contestant got a question asking about the host for Operation Transformation. Again, the contestant didn't know who Kathryn Thomas was... Good ol' RTE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Re: RTE is 100% state owned, it has no other shareholder other than the Government who hold it in trust for the citizens.


    Exactly, the correct communication channel for the public when it comes to public service broadcasting charter is the Irish government. In real terms for voters* this means engaging your local TD or the minister with the portfolio for RTE.

    Only TDs and the Minister with communications portfolio are responsible for the charter that RTE operates under and these are the only group that the RTE executive answer to for their performance under the charter (or lack of it). The RTE executive exists to manage service contracts and operational resources under a charter granted by the government.

    The BAI (BCI, ITRC before them) are consultants appointed by the government, their function is presumably to provide expert opinion and reports to the minister and to oversee direction from said minister in relation to their brief.

    Going by the complaints against RTE the issue revolves around the charter they operate under which seems to lack suitable quality metrics under which they can be measured and held accountable. This is presumably the reason they can claim that X% of their output is as Gaeilge plus other quotas, the fact that only the cat is watching or it is a repeat does not matter they have met their service obligation under the charter. I don't watch or listen to RTE and I have no idea how their performance is measured.

    Then if the RTE executive are meeting their obligations under the charter granted to them as defined and measured by the government, How does the voting public even know it is receiving poor service? We might conclude the current state of RTE is a lesser of two evils and its performance is an acceptable trade-off for scarce tax revenue.

    * non-voters are ignored unless there is a deal on the table that works to said TDs advantage.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But you always wish to equate Public Service Broadcasting to the monstrosity that is RTE. You are consistently doing this.

    A new organisation. A blank sheet of paper. A mandate to provide balanced public service broadcasting with no agenda or bias...I'd give that a fair hearing and I'd give a fair hearing to funding models including licence fee in proportion to service offered.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    No I don't.

    This is a quote from my earlier post today -

    The "national debate" would include those who wish to see RTE closed down and those who think it is ok as it is and every point of view in between.

    I have no problem with an open debate on the future of Public Service Broadcasting.

    However unlike a lot of posters here I reject the "sack someone, cut someone's pay, close something down, sell something off" arguments that are appearing here almost daily.

    Everything should be on the table in the context of an agreed, planned move forward.



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