Mandatory vaccination in Ireland

Talking through their hoop, you say, is that a scientific viewpoint, or just uninformed opinion? Can you link to studies which show illnesses which preclude the person from receiving the vaccine?

“Doctors differ, patients die” is a quote often used when opinions don’t align. The first Doctor could be in deep **** if your friend became seriously ill from Covid as there would little science to support his/her advice. When dealing with patient concerns, the way in which a question is posed and the level of assurance the patient wants can affect the answer, “would you recommend I take the vaccine?” would illicit a different responce than “I’ll only take the vaccine if you guarantee I won’t have a reaction”, the answer to the second is, don’t get it if you want a guarantee there will be no reaction.

That isn’t a rabid political campaign.

I’m a a healthcare worker who owns a Clinic with GPs, so a little more knowledgable than Joe Soap. I am not saying the GP would be guilty of malpractice, that would be for the Medical Council to decide, but certainly there would have to be a good explanation for advising a patient not to have a vaccine when HSE guidance and studies indicate the patient should have been advised to have a vaccine.

A clever reword of what I said to claim I said something I did not.

I never said people with specific illnesses - I said

"but don't tell you that many of them are very ill and unable to take the jab."

anyway -

late stage cancer was one mentioned as a factor - but some people on immuno suppressing meds too.

some people who had an extremely sh1tty reaction to 1st jab were told not to take the second.

but don't let that stop you misrepresenting what i said.

Of course they will justify it, all Doctors do when their actions are called into question. But usually at that stage their actions have led to unintended consequences which have led to a complaint. Sometimes the justification is accepted, unfortunately sometimes it is not, the outcome of the review will not change what has happened to the patient though.

Immuno suppressed are also amongst those at risk of severe illness from Covid, and given priority for vaccination. The patients you have listed as “unable to take the jab” are actually those most strongly advised to take it. People who had a **** reaction to the first, are NOT told to not have the second, we are all aware of people who felt ill after the first, second or third jab. Where are you getting that from?

I never said that COPD was why she was advised not to get Covid vaccinated. It's simply the only one of her health conditions that I do know the name of.

I don't know why she was given that advice - and I'm not so fecking rude ghat I'm going to ask.

But she is a clear example, that I can specifically name, of there being SOME people who get the advice.

not all immuno suppressed are the clones of each other - I clearly said "some". there are some people who aren't able to take it, you can rant, rave and misrepresent what people say all you want - it doesn't change that.

they tell us all these ICU cases are unvaxxinated inferring that they are the belligerent types who'd rather die than take the vaxx.

but don't tell you that many of them are very ill and unable to take the jab.

late stage cancer was one mentioned as a factor

Would many people with "late stage cancer" be admitted to an ICU?

Unlikely, they are more likely to receive care in a Hospice.

Lol

The concern is not non-existent blood vessels in the deltoid, but (rare) accidental injection by inexperienced/weary/incompetent injectors into blood vessels that run through the subcutaneous tissue between the deltoid and the dermis.

There have been a couple of small scale studies in animals that have shown that injection of vaccines into the blood vessels can cause clotting, but more study would need to be done. Now that Denmark and a few other countries have advised that their vaccinators aspirate the needle before plunging, I guess there will (eventually) be data to compare.

doesnt seem to be, but it may as well have been closed ages ago as there has barely been any posting on topic the whole way through.

FFS, theres barely even mention of vaccination let alone manditory/ compulsorary vaccination.

Eh, what clients?