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@Fionn1952

"Wrong, wrong and wrong again, Blanch.

I've repeatedly provided evidence that even when feuding, the people of Ireland clearly viewed themselves as one people, and those from outside Ireland as, 'other'. The position of High King certainly isn't, 'green tinged fantasy', it is historic fact. The proven existence of a commonality of culture and law well before the arrival of British rule was also ignored....but of course, you'll carry on without addressing any of these points like you did the countless other times they were brought up and then pop back in with the same gross simplification and pretend that it hasn't been completely debunked on multiple occasions.

Perhaps you're hoping that the fatigue of repeating myself means that eventually I'll stop calling it out and you can carry on unchallenged. I suppose it's working to some extent, from my original replies which contained direct evidence to my current weary, 'f*ck sake, we've been over this' lightly touching on the repeated previous points that have always been dodged."

Jesus H Christ ..............

Even with Wikiepdia , who have done a daycent job on lesser known Irish history, you still make a bags of it

There is no concept of Irish nationhood before 1700s . NONE

Gaelic lords brought in foreigners to help them wipe out rival Gaelic chiefs and lords of septs. It is no wonder that the O'Neill's did not have the country behind him when he marched down to Kinsale.

The High King was often a glorified figurehead , depending on the strength and caliber of that king on the throne. I would urge you to stop talking uneducated nonsense and check out the hours of work carried out by Fin Dwyer on Irish History Podcast that covers this period. It is entertaining and you will thank me for it

Go write your article to the multiple Irish History periodicals. Lest see will it get published .

You actually have provided ZERO evidence, least on this thread . Since you claim to have provided evidence , this should not be a difficulty for you to produce that evidence . Chop chop !

No High King of Ireland ever ruled a sovereign united Ireland

No High King was able to enjoy supremacy over the other Provincial Kings.

He was often too busy fighting with one of them ffs . He existed, but there is an awful lot of mythology bollox surrounding the title.

A huge reason why the Normans settled Ireland so easily was because the provincial kings, and even local septs , were divided .

Being too busy warring with the neighbour is not a sign of being "a one people" , especially when they happily call out foreigners to come over and fight for them -McMurrough was not the first or last to do so .

Even big Brian Boru had Norse men in his gang - the biggest laughable nationalist myth is the concept that Boru brought his men as a National unit to fight Norse and Danesmen in Clontarf and that some how the Vikings just left - Vikings fought with Boru, Gaels fought with the Dublin Norse king , Boru's daughter was ridding the Norse king; Vikings never completely left ; the O'Brien family would have decades of horror and glory fighting fellow gaels.

As One people lol.............Considering the concept of Nationalism across Europe only began to develop after the Renanissance.  

FFS

Agreed. This include people who give one side a free pass while judging the other and those who dismiss the language of one side?

Nobody covered themselves in glory but we need to attempt reconciliation by playing fair.

There is absolutely no difference when its been the same two parties especially as they are now interchangeable. It was always a FG or FF government. From heavy handed Garda to turning a blind eye to mass baby graves.

You were called out only yesterday for running the same debunked stories every few months.

There is no presumptions on superiority here! You are just time wasting by playing the victim and refusing to respond to my statement that DIRECTLY addresses your claims. It is telling.

It is a public forum, not a private chat. You decided to remind all who reads the nonsense you claim that you "have  repeatedly provided evidence that even when feuding, the people of Ireland clearly viewed themselves as one people, and those from outside Ireland as, 'other'. It is perfectly legitimate you call you out on that. No one lies dishonesty , Chief. That is uncivil. Far worse that what you are accusing me of.

Just for everyone else to see - and see you for what you are

There was no concept of Irish nationhood before 1700s . NONE - So claiming that people "when feuding..... clearly viewed themselves as one people, and those from outside Ireland as, 'other" . That is total nonsense. Feuding groups hired foreigners to come in and fight for them against their so called fellow neighbour

Yes, the High King did exist, but in many cases , he was not that powerful at all. No High King ever controlled the island or was successful in forcing supremacy over the Provincial Kings. NONE . The importance of the High King is not as high as you argue

Like I said , take up the evidence that you allegedly provided here, (apparently, on multiple occasions) to the academic peers and try and get it published. Maybe some of them will knock sense into you

Its quite obvious the English rule and allow affiliates feel like they've some control. With access to the EU and the opportunity to self govern, I think a UI is an attractive option.

You are using the Queen, and British as a standard? Raise the bar.

You are using a criteria set by others to decide what is and isn't a country. The days of empires plundering regions they feel are up for grabs are over. The world grew a conscience, for the most part.

It's an island. It's always been a land unto itself. We don't need some arsehole to vet our existence. What the hell is Ulster? Do you recognise Ulster? I don't hear any other British apologists claiming Ulster was never really a province anyway. Can you find the paperwork for Ulster? When was it invented? You are trying pedantry with biased political terminology. Cop on.