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Future of Micheal Martin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Didn’t realise it took that long!

    So it’s half the period from the formation of the government to the date of the next scheduled GE?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭spakman


    One of the worst people in existence!?

    Who do you expect to take you seriously when you come out with that kind of ridiculous statement?

    And I think Martin is a weak Taoiseach by the way, but how can you say he is one of the worst people in existence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭spakman


    Oh, I see you posted the below on another thread so you're obviously not expecting anyone to take you seriously.


    "Those Quislings are not my Government. I recognise only the Government of the 32-County Irish Republic"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Honestly, I think he's personally had enough, he's achieved his goal, getting into the Taoiseachs office, I think he go to the back benches before retiring.

    The infighting within FF seems to have calmed down but I still get a sense of deep unease with this FFG arrangement, albeit its clearly a marriage of convenience more than anything.

    I personally like MM, not a supporter, can't say I'm overly inspired by his leadership skills but he was clearly, consistently and Bizzarely undermined at every turn by a small cohort in FG .

    Above anything, he does appear to be a very decent human being and has empathy, a trait sadly lacking certain quarters of this coalition government.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Which Government would they be... who be the Taoiseach... or would we have a PM...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    His future, whether negotiating State level treaties, dealing with a national emergency or scrubbing the toilet is the same.


    Bland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,803 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    But he's still insisting he will lead FF into the next election. At what point do you think he comes clean about his true intentions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I think that's just semantics, if he were to admit now, he's stepping down, there'd be a stampede to replace him which would probably be more damaging for FF, he's intent in completing his Term in office, he won't let anything distract from that, I'm of course only surmising and think he'll make an announcement nearer to December, IMO of course 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭spakman


    True. He has no presence, no charisma and, it would seem, no plan of what he wants to do.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Why would I prefer MM over Boris?

    You would honestly happily have Boris at Taoiseach, despite the fact that he practically sh*t on everyone in the UK including the Royal Family over the last number of years between Brexit and the pandemic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    A really nice low benchmark. Yes, I'd put MM just above him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I find it hard to come up with any name at all from the FF party without googling them.

    FG have done a great job making me believe this is still their government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Newstalk had Varadkar on recently and he was introduced as the Taoiseach, the reporter laughed in embarrassment at the mistake but it was telling.


    If you told people Martin was the Press secretary for the Govt quite a few wouldn't doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    And to think that this incumbent will be replaced by someone currently under Garda investigation.

    Scraping the barrel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    In a heartbeat, that's how awful Martin is.BoJo didn't allow his version of Tony Holohan to defacto take over as leader

    I'd much prefer the UK approach to the past two years, I was over there few months back, things were normal compared to this hysteria frenzy of fear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I make that mistake myself all the time. Add to that the fact that the only cabinet ministers I can ever think of are FG ones with the exception of Donnelly who isn't doing FF any favours in my book.

    I just can't see that he or FF have any vision for the country. In the past FF always had leaders with a very clear vision of who they and the party were l. Whether you liked it or not you knew who as a voter they were but he has nothing.

    If you sat a first time voter down to explain the options in an impartial way how would you even describe the current FF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭spakman


    For a long time, he was looking very likely to have the unwelcome legacy of being the first FF leader not to serve as Taoiseach.

    I think he was desperate to avoid that, and once he got into office, it was mission accomplished. He had no agenda or plan of what he wanted to do or how we wanted to lead the country. I think he just wants to see it out without any major scandal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Becoming Taoiseach as Fianna Fail leader is a lot easier than being a Fianna Fail Taoiseach who retires without a major scandal in fairness 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,803 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    So do we take it that if he goes through with the handover, he definitely intends to lead FF into the election? It wouldn't make sense to me for him do that with the intention of standing down at some point before the election, but not tell anyone.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast


    He'll be the shortest ever serving Taoiseach when he steps down on December 15. I bet John Bruton is delighted to loose that title



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I just can't see it happening, he'll stand down before transfer of Taoiseach role to Leo but of course I could be completely wrong, I just think he's done with it all and has achieved everything he set out to achieve.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,354 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You're not even thinking about what you say are you?

    All the global statistics show that Ireland has weathered the pandemic, scientifically and financially better than most other nations of the World developed or otherwise.

    Our death rate per head of population compared to Britain is half. Half!!!!!!

    We have maintained positive economic growth throughout and through careful treasury management have supported any business and individual employee for as long as it was needed.

    Our vaccination rate and speed is, again, one of the very highest in the World!

    I hate to have to remind people, but it's a **** pandemic. The worst thing that can happen globally next to a World War.

    Of course, It doesn't suit the narrative of the lazy, feckless ditch hurlers, who wouldn't themselves lift a finger to get involved in politics or improving their own communities. They'd much rather sit on their holes giving it the "bleeding gubbernment Joe" all day and night.

    Have some mistakes been made? Definitely. Would the gift of more knowledge and time have led to a different strategy at different junctures? Absolutely. Do we need to learn lessons for future national crises? Any Country would be mad not to.

    But the inconvenient truth is Micheál Martin has been a good Taoiseach in the crisis. A man of decency and clear headed consideration. Hard working and openminded. Steadfast in anxious times.

    You may disagree with me of course, but cast your eye around the World and ask yourself what other Country would you have preferred to go through this nightmare in.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    I think MM could have done with a better pr team.

    He doesn't appear to relate to social media, and definitely doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the general public.

    He needs to be more positive and advertise when the numbers are going the right direction.

    A politician who comes across ass been afraid of being a taoiseach.

    He may want to lead his party in the next election but can't see the party backing him.

    He always came across as a decent and honest person.

    Leo will come out smelling of roses when he takes the rains and relaxs any remaining restrictions that are left by then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I'm no defender or voter of FF or FG but I bet every Boards.fr/es/py/ug/whatever is full of people saying their country has handled Covid the worst. Some are probably even saying "I wish we had NPHET and Martin". My friends in England and the US certainly think Ireland have handled it better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,354 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    In which case all anyone can look at is the numbers. Fewest deaths, highest and quickest vaccination programme, level of economic activity maintained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Someone said we could 've had Boris. I put MM above him. What's the problem? Btw I don't judge a Govt on just how they handle a pandemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Affected a minority of the population and despite that the entire population lost a huge amount of their rights over the last two years.

    State at absolute insane levels of debt which will be paid by those the virus had little impact on.

    Utterly shameless.

    The man who broke the country twice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Blander than vanilla ice cream.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Affected a minority of the population and despite that the entire population lost a huge amount of their rights over the last two years.

    This kind of nonsense annoys me and is based on bullcrap notions.

    Had measures not been introduced then far more would have been directly affected and potentially even died. Furthermore, you would would have seen far more people who needed treatment for other ailments being untreated because the medical professionals were too busy dealing with covid patients.

    As for people losing their rights, is people's right not to die or the right to medical treatment not more important in your view?

    Lets have a discussion on MM based on facts and not your anti-science crap.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Anti-science?? Ahahahha.

    The facts show for themselves on the dangers of the virus to what sectors of the population.

    The ineptitude of the health service isn’t my fault. That lies with those who have been in power consistently over the last few decades, FG and FF.

    The state of the health service despite the billions thrown at it every year is the fault of well paid failures like MM. It’s not my fault, and my rights shouldn’t be impinged for two years because of it.



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    Just on the death rate thing..

    That's because anyone who dies within a month of a test in England is a covid death..so their numbers are inflated..



  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Munstergirl854


    Did anybody manage to catch the funeral today where he was sympathising with the family?

    Ashlings dad had him grabbed by the arm and was shaking his head as he spoke to him..thought he looked very serious whatever he was saying.

    He came off as a bit cold sympathising whereas the Higgins have a warmth about them,especially Sabina.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Often hear this red herring pulled up. On a personal level this is deeply tragic and he has my sympathy on that. But that’s irrelevant to the job of Taoiseach- which he willingly chose to undertake. If that in any way effects his ability to do this immensely important public service role (for which he is extremely well remunerated I might add) he simply should not be there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    That must be why Ireland’s death rates sits in parallel or even above countries with lower restrictions. This myth that restrictions save lives is the real anti science crap. At best they delay some deaths



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Surely they prevent 'ancilary' deaths,by stopping health services being over-whelmed and collasping??


    If yous had a heart attack/serious car crash etc,if the hospiteals overrun/collasped you simply wouldnt have treatment (pretty sure this happened in derry at one stage!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    And if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle…exactly what this whole mania was based on. “What if” scare mongering. The type you’ll never be wrong with even though it never happens. Yawn 🥱



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tbf it seems like,what the obvious outworking of health services being overrun is


    It has happened(as said in derry with this country),india,america,italy etc ...why would it be any different in the free state??



    Im no particular fan of this government,nor lockdowns,but to claim,they dont save lives is a bit ludicrious.....surely stands to obvious reason what they do,as blunt as they may be?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭jmlad2020




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I expect between March and June 2023 there'll be an announcement of a leadership contest.

    I don't think MM will step back right away but once he steps away from Taoiseachs office he has nothing else to go for in politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,803 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    But he'll be pressed hard for absolute clarity on his intentions in the run-up to the handover. If he is planning to step down as FF leader before the GE why not announce it then? If he is still insisting he is staying on at the point his enemies in the party might very well take him at his word and launch a heave.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    He'll say what he's saying now regarding that, that he won't be stepping down when he transfers office. Even if he's asked will he lead them into the GE he'll say yes. And then when he announces he's stepping down he'll say it like "on reflection, I have decided to step down to give a chance to someone else to lead with a fresh approach" yada yada

    Here he is in January 2020 saying he won't go into coalition with FG.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭ThePentagon


    "He came off as a bit cold sympathising whereas the Higgins have a warmth about them,especially Sabina."

    Micheal Martin lost two children. The Higgins lost a dog.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,803 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I don't understand why he would do it that way and run the risk of getting dragged kicking and screaming out of the FF leadership if as you say he has already decided in his own mind he won't be leading FF into the next GE and being tanaiste means little to him.

    If he is planning to announce in say May next year that he is stepping down as FF leader, well why not do it six months earlier and put to bed any strife within the party over the issue.



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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Since becoming Taoiseach he has had only 1 issue to deal with and he delegated to a bunch of useless doctors while pissing away our money...



  • Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭CarProblem


    Possibly will take the reigns of Tanaiste but he doesn't care - all he wanted was the big seat and he got it. Mission accomplished

    Btw was it ever comprehensively established how that money ended up to be resting in the bank account of the wife of this "decent" man (who was also a minister when FF crashed the country AGAIN)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’d have gladly had all ruled from London throughout this. Ireland was ran by hysterical bedwetters. Totally clueless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    He’s the ultimate headless chicken- absolutely spineless. Devolved everything to committees and “experts”. Atrocious. Hands down the worst “Taoiseach” ever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    M Martin has zero pedigree whatsoever. A teacher from a working class background (he was quick to abandon his roots, you never hear reference to it). Basically he imagines money falls from the sky rather than people having to work hard to generate the wealth for him to blow on Covid bedwetting



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