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Future of Micheal Martin



  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast

    Dr Tony Holohan should have been sacked by the government back in September 2020 for leaking information to the media.

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid

    As the others here opined - Micheal Martin is spineless, gutless, lacking in conviction and principles, unable to keep his own TDs in order and simply lacking in leadership qualities.

    Being a good leader means often not being a populist - and by doing things or making key decisions that are often unpopular at the time but are the right thing to do in the interests of their country and society.

    I see none of this in Martin. Lacking in gravitas, vision, strategy and leadership.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado

    At least the UK system called him out... we had a few Covid blunders and they quietly went away... we cannot compare ourselves to the uk until we clean our own act...

  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen

    The UK system called him out... and did what, exactly?

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado

    They called him out and we wait and see... the point i am making is your looking across the water and there was a few parties at home you didn't notice...

    "people who live in glass houses don't throw stones"

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen

    And Simon Coveney was called out for the party in his Department just today on News At One.

    Is that good enough? Are you saying Irish politicians don't call anyone else out?

    To suggest Micheal Martin is anywhere near as bad as Boris Johnson is based on deflective bluster and nothing more. I've no major grá for MM but I'll take him over Boris every day of the week.

  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen

    I also have to discuss this. Unable to keep his TD's in order? Apart from Marc MacSharry, who is no longer with the party, who else has he 'failed to keep in order'?

    The most vocal challenger to his leadership, Jim O'Callaghan, is politically damaged because Martin made him a director of elections for a truly awful by-election campaign in O'Callaghan's own constituency and he has barely been heard from since.

    You can accuse him of a lot of things, but nobody has emerged as a true successor to Martin because none of them know what direction to go in as a party, whereas Martin is just getting on with the job.

    A bit of shouting and roaring at parliamentary party meetings means f*ck all, in all honesty.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado

    I seen Seamus Wolfe said last week that the legislation that caused the uproar in Clifden could be interpreted in different ways or at least that's what i think he said according to the Times...

    I did not mention MM but all what we are talking happened on his watch... we should make sure we are ok before checking on what is happening in Australia and the UK... that's what i am saying

  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen

    So what are you suggesting should have happened to Seamus Wolfe?

    And people here are perfectly entitled to comment on what's going on around the world without others trying to deflect attention away from it by saying 'we should be getting our own house in order'.

    We're doing relatively ok compared to the shitshows in Australia and the UK.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,773 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    Just to point out that some others here opined.

    We were asked to address this question-

    Will he take the job as an Taniste next December or retire ?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado

    Well if he is a Supreme court judge and says the new legislation was "ambiguous" suggests to me the legislation is flawed if no-one challenged what he said... i am just saying what i read in the Times... There were a few of the heavy legal councils present and as AFAIK he was giving evidence under oath...

    If a supreme court judge does not understand the rules how can anyone be taken to court under this legislation... i may be wrong but this is what was reported...

    What should happen... maybe he should be asked to clarify so people like may understand...

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,867 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3

  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast

    No December 15th

  • Registered Users Posts: 68,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011

    If FG are somehow doing well in the polls, and he attempts to retire, expect Varadkar to claim its a breach of the deal and call an election. He doesn't want whoever their new leader is going to be (fecked if I know, various touted options like Dooley and Calleary have become impossible or implausible) having any time in the job to bed in before an election.

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35

    Its funny that back in 08 he was part of the Cabinet who were lying through their teeth telling us on the 6 o clock news everything was grand when they knew full well the IMF were about to land at Dublin airport.

    If someone told me back then one of these liars would be Taoiseach 12 years later I'd have laughed them out of it.

    He wanted a go in the bosses chair no matter what and would have sold his soul to get it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35

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