Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

How does it make sense?

Omicron has rendered them redundant.

Certs or no certs has not prevented transmission one iota over the last month.

Sounds more like he wants to remove restrictions for vaccinated.

If so he's being slightly dishonest then.

Being able to go about your business without justifying and identifying yourself everywhere is a civil liberties issue, even if many people pretend to have forgotten it or now claim it doesn't matter.

There were debates about the requirements around national ID cards only a few years ago.

In other words, the certs affects vaccinated people too.

I'm not an employee of Ireland Inc. so I don't want to carry a digital keycard everywhere with me to access spaces.

Oh that's fair enough. Don't want to get in some row about certs.

I was just saying I wasn't seeing what bloopy saw in his comments.

To be fair, you are correct.

It can be interpreted either way. Maybe it would be better to find the interview and statement in full to get context on the remarks.

Oh I agree - it was always about coercion not protection.

It was clear even back last October that vaccinated people were a potential vector for virus spread, and not including a negative PCR or antigen test in the certs just reinforces that idea that it has nothing to do with stopping the spread.

It's been the same for months that it reduces the pressure on the health system, countries with lower vax rates have an even higher proportion unvaccinated in hospital, in Ireland, we just don't have the capacity for it to go out of control and have been lucky that we had such a high vax rate.

Rewriting the narrative now for Omicron (where there is far more incidental admissions) is wrong.

,the comment of ''just the certs'' can be either seen as 'the other restrictions gone and 'just' this one remaining' or as something that is not a big thing to be kept in place as most people will be alright with that because it doesnt affect them (much).

Will the anti cert thing fly now that politicians are talking about it or will it be the EU policy that dictates matters? In fairness, the DCC came into being to streamline travelling in Europe with tests coupled for those unvaccinated as there were issues of discrimination. Several countries have now made vaccines mandatory for their population. Will this become mandatory to travel EU wide? Suppose an unvaccinated person is able to travel to France and wont be able to travel by bus or rail then trying to hire a car only to find out that the government has made the cert mandatory for companies in order to operate. Discrimination by stealth.

I am positive that the issue is at least raised in Ireland.

There is a massive change in people on here in the last week, people are really sick of this. Even conservative people i work with are the same, why would I bother with an antigen test if nothing is wrong with me is the feeling. I hope the feeling on here is the general feeling in the real world.

Oh, just think about it a tad longer. Passports will keep pesky unvaxxed out so they wont be able to spread the infection to other areas where the healthy vaxxed hang out. That way we will protect the good people against the bad people...what do you say? Omicron facts? Well, yeah, maybe it matters not now but for the future, with other variants. You never know so best keep the controls in place in case something really bad happens and we will have the tools to control people, i mean, protect people. Sorry..🤭

With Omicron, they'll probably be unnecessary, Timmy and Richard are now trying to revise everything such that they were unnecessary all the time which wasn't the case with Delta because that's what they have claimed all the way through and can't reverse course anymore.

Nah, they know that playing that card will just lose them the room even more, nobody is actually concerned about the virus any more.

The narrative is likely to be "just a few more weeks, almost there, hold firm, we shouldn't stumble at the last step, here are a few crumbs and there will be better days ahead, we promise". That will allow them to drip feed and stretch it out for a few months.

Nightclubs to open, large indoor events and social distancing rules dropped in Scotland from Monday. Even Sturgeon is opening before Ireland

If you keep table service, the unvaccinated would mix with people they would mix with anyway, pubs are more risky ill give you that but restaurants and cinemas, how much mixing happens there.