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Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

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    #122
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456446#Comment_118456446

    People have pretended to be disabled to win at sport...

    That being said, its not really the point. I suspect it would be, at best, an outlier for someone to do so. But that that was not their intention does not mean that it is not the result.



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    #123
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456507#Comment_118456507

    A transphobic hate fuelled rant doesnt prove me wrong.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #124
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456546#Comment_118456546

    Transitioning isnt just saying Im a woman though. There are medical and legal things to do in the transition process. People have done XYZ proves nothing. You cant give me any examples because there are none.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #125
    jmayo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058226834/transgender-man-wins-womens-100-yd-and-400-yd-freestyle-races

    For a start for someone that claims they are not taking a position on this you do seem to argue for one particular viewpoint in this debate quite a lot. 🙄

    Oh and you keep making statements that one had no changes bar a double mastectomy.

    Maybe someone could argue that made her more aerodynamic in the water?

    Anyway the big thing I would like to know is which one is going to be in this years Rose of Tralee.


    Now I am going to run away. 🏃‍♀️ .....



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    #126
    maestroamado
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    I am sure this has being asked already but i couldn't find... what is the rules... if a person decides they are a different gender and the law allows to be legally so recognized as such.

    Can this person compete in the new gender...



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    #127
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457021#Comment_118457021

    It would depend on each countries law and the rules/regulations of each sport

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #128
    maestroamado
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457074#Comment_118457074

    so your like me you don't know either... hopefully someone will enlighten us both...



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    #129
    Gatling
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456835#Comment_118456835

    As you know There social and medical transitions ,both are acceptable that your are now your chosen or preferred gender

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    #130
    km991148
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    Post edited by km991148 on


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    #131
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456507#Comment_118456507

    Are you sure you linked the right article?



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    #132
    greyday
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457238#Comment_118457238

    Why?

    There is a person that transitioned that is happy to get into a ring with a female with the intention of beating her up, the extremists think this is fair while most rationale people don't want to even consider where this could lead.

    Let people be who they want to be but lets be reasonable about what they can and cant do, beating up a woman is one of those things you cannot do no matter if you transitioned to a woman or not, crazy I know but most people would agree with that.



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    #133
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118454910#Comment_118454910

    That's ok.


    Nice to see that posters are not always so adamant.


    If we all accepted that our positions cannot be absolute, the net would be a better place.



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    #134
    Quantum Erasure
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118454480#Comment_118454480

    "The narrative being put forward is that a male body is in every way superior to a female body when it comes to sports. All sports apparently. Even when that male body has has been taking 'female' hormones it retains this superiority. Therefore someone born biologically male will always beat someone born biologically female."

    That is demonstrably not correct.



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    #135
    plodder
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118455395#Comment_118455395

    Men are tested for a variety of performance enhancing substances. Oestrogen is not considered to be performance enhancing. Otherwise, men would be tested for it. In fact, one strategy for indirect androgen (testosterone) doping has been to artificially reduce oestrogen levels, which has the effect of increasing the natural levels of testosterone. The substances which promote that are banned.

    Sex testing used to be required for women athletes at the Olympics but I'm pretty sure it isn't currently.

    The reason it was was because it is the female category that is protected, not the male one. It's assumed (and born out by experience) that women generally don't want to enter men's competitions, but that's not the same the other way round.

    I don't think anyone has ever suggested that natural hormone levels would be the way to determine sex for sport. Chromosomes are a much better, though still imperfect way. But, it would be better than the rules as they are now, bizarrely, because only a tiny number of intersex women are affected negatively by the chromosome definition, as opposed to potentially over 50% of the entire population now.



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    #136
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456835#Comment_118456835

    Biological males, irrespective of what they identify as or what surgeries they've undergone, should not compete with biological females - period.



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    #137
    Gatling
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456835#Comment_118456835

    Like ???

    You can self declare your chosen gender there is no legal requirement unless your looking for a cert ,but there is no legal requirement to do anything

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    #138
    maestroamado
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457263#Comment_118457263

    I totally agree with you but equality likely works across the board for both sexes... it be interesting to see where this goes...



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    #139
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457490#Comment_118457490

    It depends on each country.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #140
    Gatling
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457741#Comment_118457741

    For instance here we saw a bloke enter and win a womans event in trinity ,all he did was rock up on the day and said he identified as a female to the organisers who had no choice but to allow him to enter ,

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    #141
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457766#Comment_118457766

    Meh. Arseholes will be arseholes

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #142
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457490#Comment_118457490

    For instance here we saw a bloke enter and win a womans event in trinity ,all he did was rock up on the day and said he identified as a female to the organisers who had no choice but to allow him to enter ,


    The fella who spends his days lamenting Putin and his anti-LGBTQ agenda...incredible.



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    #143
    MilkyToast
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457776#Comment_118457776

    And yet they exist.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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    #144
    Gatling
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457776#Comment_118457776

    Yes but if show's how easy it is for dick's to take the proverbial,

    If a man can just enter womens sports events just by filling in a form and self declaring their chosen gender .

    In the case in this thread it's a man swimming against women in competitive swimming , where he has an advantage being men have better upper body strength , especially in arms and shoulders which is a Big advantage in a pool ,

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    #145
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457863#Comment_118457863

    And?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #146
    MilkyToast
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    What do you mean "and"?

    You're gone from "nobody transitions to win sports" to "there are medical and legal things to do to transition" to "well okay but that depends on the country" to "meh, the literal example of the thing I just said there could not possibly be an example of is just areseholes".

    Come on.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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    #147
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457900#Comment_118457900

    They believe that no such transition is needed anyway. That just being who you are is enough.

    Some decide to undergo surgery etc. Most do not.



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    #148
    km991148
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458107#Comment_118458107

    Most medically transition. You can keep repeating that line about surgery to downplay a medical transition, but it won't work.

    Even taking hrt is no small undertaking.



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    #149
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458119#Comment_118458119

    No, but you're missing the point.

    You believe that a biological male who identifies as a woman - and has no surgery at all - is literally a woman, yes?

    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I believe that is your belief. Correct me if I'm wrong.



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    #150
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457900#Comment_118457900

    That wasnt an example of anyone transitioning. Just an areshole trying to prove a point. Nobody is going to transition to win at sports.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #151
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458205#Comment_118458205

    What do you mean by "transitioning" though?

    Don't you already believe that a biological male, without surgery, who identifies as a woman is a woman?



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