Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

The answer is that vaccines (unlike a virus) leave the body relatively quickly with the only trace remaining being the antibody/t-cell/b-cell memory caused by the introduced vaccine proteins. The vaccines were primarily tested for safety and for efficacy against severe disease, effects against mild disease were measured but were not the primary outcome. Effects against severe disease have held up well in the long term with the effects against mild disease and transmission waning as antibody count drops (this same thing happens with viral infection just with greater disease risks). Long term immunity is also primarily driven by b and t-cells hence the confidence over long term efficacy.

While there is ongoing safety monitoring (as happens for all medicines) as there is no vaccine components left in the body, it is not seen as a safety threat in the longer term, previous vaccines have all shown side effects within days or weeks of administration, however, there was still months of data gathered during the trials and there is over 18 months worth of data available now with no long term effects noted (and as had been chatted about here, COVID does have measurable long term effects).

And just a note on "big pharma", your AZ vaccine was developed by the non-profit Jenner institute in Oxford, BioNTech and Moderna were both startups. All 3 partnered with existing pharmaceutical companies for manufacturing with Jenner making the formula available to be produced by other institutes (e.g. serum institute of India). China has developed it's own vaccine, as has Cuba, Russia and India. There are vaccines becoming available from Novavax (well known in the vaccine industry) and Valneva are working on delivering a vaccine soon as well. There are ongoing developments of multiple vaccines, some targeting multiple proteins, others looking at nasal delivery.

So? Just dont smell or taste things and you wont have any side effects! duh

That's fair enough, it's hassle though. You are restricted though, no matter what way you spin it.

If you live in a small town, you can do most things without being checked, but if you want to go for dinner anywhere decent then you haven't a hope without a cert really. Now they very very rarely ask for ID so you could just borrow someone's else one.

I haven't tried everywhere because I've no need to. I'm good in my local.

I agree with you that things are not normal yet, but honestly, I think expecting 2019 standards to come back is setting yourself up for disappointment. I mean, has there ever been a world changing or impacting event where, when its over, things have reverted to what they were prior to it ? I can't think of one. Societies move on and adapt. We may end up with 90% of what we were used to, we may end up with 99%, who knows, but I think its inevitable there will be legacy items, how ever big or small they may turn out to be. Like, we're still taking our shoes off in airport security, and going through full body scanners in some, 20+ years on from 9/11.

I travelled to the UK a few months back and honestly it was like 2019 in Ireland, it was like covid didn't exist. I don't see why we cant get to that level as well.

I’ve been in Ohio for the past month. Aside people voluntarily wearing masks indoors (which has a surprisingly high compliance rate), things are basically 100% normal. They have nowhere near our vaccine uptake - only 65% of adults are vaccinated. There is no health care system collapse. Ireland is doing something very wrong.

Sorry, what?! Where/when did I say that?!

That poster has multiple times stated that there are no restrictions if you just don't do the restricted things. So he happily shoots across the border to do everything he wants and then pretends to wonder why other people are bothered about restrictions.

when did we change, there are whole comedy routines built around our lessez faire attitude to rules and regulations?

This is a nation of people, who tune in to watch misery porn under the guise of entertainment. The Covid crisis is like one big Late Late show episode that never ends. For some odd reasons the powers that be in Ireland have always had great relationship with misery, and they aren't going to just drop it over pesky nonsense like "liberties".

It's coercion plain and simple. There's a reason evidence of coercion is sufficient to void a contract or a confession. It removes an individual's ability to choose freely. It restricts. Those who claim that people are being given a choice with regard to vaccinations are either disingenuous, bare faced liars or morons who have no idea about the slippery slope towards illiberalism we find ourselves on.

I've asked you repeatedly to prove that I said what you are stating I said. You have failed to do so. Multiple times. You are posting in bad faith. I don't pretend to wonder why people are bothered by restrictions. You are, yet again, putting words in my mouth. Stop it. Fishing for 'thanks' is not a good look.

I'll repeat the question I put to you previously, what are you doing to stop your liberties being stripped away one by one?