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Anyone thinking of emigrating?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx

    well the left certainly dont characterise their beliefs re_ personal freedom as " conservative " ?

  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    ah but in Germany the snow and ice doesn't stop life going on. When I lived in the Balkans the summer's were amazing! Fantastic weather. But winter could go as low as -20+ and there was nothing done to make life easy! no roads cleared, no chance of going anywhere if it wasn't walking distances.

    good winters are nice, but it's nice to be able to enjoy them!

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭Hamachi

    This 100% resonates for me. Running is my hobby and I try to get out 4 or 5 times per week. It’s extremely rare that I’m prevented from doing so. Today was a bit damp and miserable. However, I still managed to get out for an hour without getting wet. I would hate to live in a climate where it is simply too hot or too cold to pursue my hobby.

    I do miss a guaranteed 3 months of sunshine though. It’s hardly a dealbreaker though.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high

    I can’t stand it, really can’t- but accept I’m in the minority!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,028 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui

    You seem selective in your reading comprehension, if you actually do read and not just skim. I am in the process of emigrating and have said so more than once. No need to lecture or advise me to do that. My life is complicated. Some of those complications involve having offspring in education and putting what I believe to be in their best interest, above my own. Others are legal - now recently solved.

    So you don't like someone not thinking this country is the cutest, bestest and niciest countries in the whole wide world - tough. Sorry to have bruised your national pride/ego and to have opinions and perspectives that differ from your own, but I'm not sorry. Suck it up, not everyone in life will agree with you or stroke your ego for you.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,028 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui

    Thanks, my brother died from skin cancer, so I am aware of the danger more than most. Ironically it arose a few years after he had moved to the UK. Other things I'll keep to myself as I'm in enough hot water as it is.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx

    by the way this attitude exists across the board here , from the welfare lifers to farmers , to any group you can name

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high

    Doesn’t Ireland have a very high rate of skin cancer too?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭Hamachi

    We all have complex lives. It’s a byproduct of being an adult. I have two young kids and a third on the way. If I hated Ireland or any country as much as you do, I would make sure to relocate my family. There were multiple inflection points when this could have been achieved; pre-school, pre-secondary school, post-junior cert etc. You chose not to do so. That decision is on you. It also does not take over two decades to resolve a legal issue, unless you’ve engaged the most inept solicitor in the history of mankind.

    Frankly, I couldn’t care less what you think of this country; having my ego stroked by you is also a most undesirable outcome. I’m simply highlighting the warped nature of your viewpoint. A grown man who spends over two decades in a country, spewing bile and negativity, but failing to take a definitive step to resolve the source of his unhappiness. I genuinely hope that 2022 is the year that you do finally relocate and that the transition to a new environment brings you some happiness and positivity.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,887 ✭✭✭✭Furze99

    I wouldn't blame the OP for wanting to emigrate, go somewhere where society is more equitable across the board. Problem is though adapting to a whole new culture. Ireland for all it's faults is what you know when you're brought up here - better the divil you know etc. etc.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,028 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui

    There is a bit of a difference between claiming you would do something and doing it for real. I have done it for real, you haven't. If you would yank your child a year or two prior to sitting the leaving cert, and move them to another country, bully for you. I wouldn't and didn't.

    Maybe a thread on people wanting to emigrate isn't the best place for you to be spending your time, given your sensitivities. I do admire you for not trotting out the trite 'don't let the door hit you on the way out', that was refreshing.

  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3

    Define equitable for me, not the meaning of the word but by what you mean using it

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭Hamachi

    Right back at you fella. A thread about emigration isn’t the place for an outlier such as yourself. You really aren’t best placed to provide an objective view on this topic, given your embittered, myopic outlook. I suggest that you channel your mental energy into expediting your imminent relocation, rather than engaging in a seemingly endless stream of negativity. It really isn’t productive for anybody, least of all your good self.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,149 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Fcuk equality.

    If I'm emigrating I'm going somewhere where my skills and education, plus my ability to speak, read and write English will be an advantage to me.

    No one emigrates in order to be equal.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭deirdremf

    We have a system where someone working minimum wage won't make as much as the average rental prices in most areas.


    Right wing my arse.

    I don't know what rightwing means to you, but if you are working and still don't earn enough to pay for a roof over your head, to me that is the epitome of a rightwing economy.

    Sure, thankfully there is a safety net for the worst off - but how long do you want to rely on that for? It certainly covers the basic needs, but that's all it will ever do and after one year, five years, ten years you'll still be in the same place.

  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    Having stupidly generous welfare isn't right wing though, is it?

    Do some sums and you'll see it doesn't just cover "the basics" either. You'll be better off than a lot of people working (and in the top couple of percent in the world) if you get a couple of kids and have a little cry.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,028 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui

    37% of income earners pay no income tax - the mind boggles. At least there's VAT, I suppose.

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007

    The bad news is the your ability to speak English just makes you equal to most other applicants these days. Pretty much everyone coming out of Europe education these days learn English and most of them will have past the Cambridge certification which means they have reached a level at which they can attend college through English. Your ability to speak English is not going to be particularly impressive. And of course in an English speaking country it’s just taken for granted.

    As for skills and education, everyone you will compete against will have them - every first and second world country has colleges, universities, apprenticeship programs etc, so unless you have advanced degrees, specialist skills or experience, being equal to everyone else is exactly where you will find yourself.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,149 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious

    No one emigrates to find an equal or more equal society.

    They emigrate so that they can do better than equal.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout

    No. The actual reason they emigrate is to do better than they would have had they stayed in their original country. Doing better than the average person in their future country would just be a bonus if they achieved it but it's not the driving force that sent them there in the first place.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,149 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious

    Ah, but the new country gives them a better opportunity to do better.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout

    ....than they were doing in their previous country.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,134 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH

    Well, it just shows the mindset of some people, doesn't it?

    Most people emigrate in order to find somewhere that will allow them the opportunity to better for themselves (and their family).

    Others want to do it so they can do better than the other guy.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah

    Yes, I’m close to Montreal, and the summers are like that; perfect. The winters are tough, and the end of March drags out, but it is also bracing weather, if you plan for doing things out of doors.

    I like the relative mildness of Irish weather, the contrast in the environment due to the overcast skies.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭PsychoPete

    I'm still young enough that I pack up and go. I have a trade,no kids,don't owe anything on the house but I just couldn't do it. I see how well my friends are doing out in Canada,UK,Oz and Spain and I admire them for taking the jump as they are all really happy with themselves now. If you look at how it is here with high tax, fuel costs, awful health service,can't buy a house,expensive day to day living, childcare and not to mention the covid nonsense then I wouldn't begrudge anyone for wanting to move abroad

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭CPTM

    I think it's fine. The companies we work for are very forward thinking. There are no contract conversions or anything. They've checked with their legal department and whatever setup they have, they say it's fine within the EU at the moment, but they said it's important to keep an eye on the situation to see if Governments start acting differently or implement new penalties/rules going forward.

  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf

    I’d be very careful and have them and yourself speak to an accountant with experience in cross border working. I’ve just been caught out myself as I still work for a company in the U.K. and moved back 3 years ago.

    If you go to Spain and you work there for more than X days a year you’ll be tax resident and your Firm will 100% have to register for Corporation Tax. Spain is extremely restrictive as a remote working location.

    It isn’t if governments start acting differently, it’s the fact they need to as their tax regulations don’t allow for long term remote working at the moment, it’s archaic!

    Trust me, it’s taken 2 months so far for my situation to get only half sorted, and that’s with the 6th largest accountancy firm in the world who are based here and the U.K. so know each side of things.

    They were telling they’re working with an Irish girl who went to the Netherlands at the start of lockdown last year, they’ve slapped her with a €27k tax bill because she didn’t know she’d become tax resident!

    When I moved back and told Revenue my situation they registered me as self employed and said just fill out a self assessment each year - this is the opposite of the correct way of doing it. Hence having a nightmare sorting it all out, and that’s the Revenue who should know!

    Specialist accountant before you do a tap!

  • Registered Users Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea

    I spent Christmas in Spain and it was a real eye opener about how pleasant it is to have nice weather in winter. I'd really like to make a move there or at least make the Mediterranean more accessible, so I've been looking at jobs in Switzerland.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Northernlily

    In relation to the OP, I agree Dublin is very ugly in the City Centre especially the North. However coastal Dublin is absolutely beautiful in places.

    Emigrated before and the grass is not always greener. We have it good here but I feel more decent people need to involve themselves in politics and try and make change happen. The value we get for tax across the board (especially middle income earners) is absolutely awful.

    Otherwise, there is a lot to be said for living in a strong economy and a safe country with good fallbacks if things go tits up.